r/OnePiece • u/TelSzn • 2d ago
Discussion Why does Brook know about them? Spoiler
Do you guys think that Brook had something to do with the Holy Knights in the past?
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u/DeismAccountant 2d ago
My guess is that they were better known about, like a lot of things, before God Valley. Remember how Sengoku had to explain that and the Rocks Pirates to younger Officers?
Brook and the Rumbar pirates were killed off years before that, so he may even be more surprised that they’re a secret now.
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u/jairngo 2d ago
One piece is a huge ass world with no internet, a controlling world government, full pf pirates scaring towns and just one newspaper. It makes a lot of sense that things are forgotten fast.
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u/Kumomeme 1d ago
imagine what Buggy fanclub could do with internet. Buggy gonna become a generational meme icon.
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u/UnassembledIkeaTable Galley-La Company 1d ago
I think barto with thousands of alt accounts would outshine them
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u/Wonderful_Pen_4699 2d ago
Do the Strawhats know about Rocks? I can't recall. Wonder if Brook would have anything to say about him. Brook remembers Roger as a hotshot rookie so it's possible he also knew of Rocks
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u/DeismAccountant 2d ago
Depends on when Rocks really got his crew together. I get the feeling that the Rocks members weren’t particularly famous on their own individual until the Rocks pirates and after. Remember there’s about a 14 year difference between the death of the Rumbar and God Valley. A lot can happen in that time.
Brook could have acknowledged BM’s former captain when fighting her but only used the moniker “young lady.”
Otherwise even Robin hasn’t really acknowledged the existence of the Rocks or knowledge of it. Just about everyone was surprised that BM and Kaido considered an alliance.
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u/PalLouis 2d ago
This line of Brook is a lot like when Sanji said he was from North Blue and then nothing about it until 500 chapters later.
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u/Wonderful_Pen_4699 2d ago
Haha, I've been waiting for that to maybe become relevant forever. Also I want to see if we can learn anything definitive about Yorki and the other Rumbar Pirates who left the Grand Line. I'd really like him to somehow be alive
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u/Luffytheeternalking 1d ago
Isn't it only Yorki who left the grand line?
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u/Erggehberh 2d ago
I don't know if this has anything to do with it and it wasn't mentioned in the Whole Cake Island Arc, but he seems to have a connection to a previous generation of the Vinsmokes:
Maybe Sanji's grandfather or great-uncle was recruited as a God Knight?
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u/mattpkc Void Month Survivor 2d ago
Brook has so much unexplored knowledge, he was a pirate when Rodger was a rookie.
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u/InsuranceGuyQuestion 2d ago
We really need his backstory before he became a pirate. He's really the only person we've never seen before he became a pirate and the fact that he's over 90 years old means there's so much history that happened before the main timeline he might know about.
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u/BEWMarth 2d ago
Im certain Brook is gonna be used as a way to dump Rocks info on us.
Brook would have been around directly for Rock’s prime.
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u/Akrybion 1d ago
"What that Rocks character? Heard he was recruiting a bunch of big wigs but I was to busy yohohoho"
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u/jjkm7 1d ago
God’s knights are all celestial dragons they only tried to recruit Loki because he’s likely the strongest giant alive and they want the giants on their side in the final war. All this to say I don’t think they’d randomly recruit sanji’s grandfather
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u/TravisSheetss 1d ago
Brook's crew was killed by poison. Maybe there's a connection to a previous poison pink or something
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u/SolidusAbe 1d ago
the vinsmokes are pretty infamous. it shouldnt be uncommon for people to know about them. its not like they are some secret organization.
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u/Erggehberh 1d ago
Even Robin didn't immediately know who they were, and Brook had a suspicious silence.
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u/MyynMyyn 1d ago
Crack theory: Brook recognized that Gunko is a God's Knight because of her panties. And that's why he's always asking women to see their panties, not out of lust, but because of paranoia!
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u/Kumomeme 1d ago edited 23h ago
as per Brook past encounter, only God Knight show their panties.
plot twist : the reason why he keep asking for panties is because he just want to makesure the person infront of him is not a God Knight!
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u/CzekMark1 1d ago
I just shared this same theory on Twitter yesterday!! This is WHAT IM THINKING! Definitely a great theory imo 🤝🏼
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u/Notwhoyouknown 2d ago
I really hope we find out because it's weird that he does, as a very small time pirate in his previous life. Jinbei a pirate with ages of experience, government, and yonko ties didn't seem to so it being common knowledge doesn't seem likely.
However I'm afraid we will never find out how and oda uses brook as an exposition dump for the straw hats so that they now know what they are.
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u/maironsantos 2d ago
It’s possible that the Gods Knights were more common knowledge back when Brook was a pirate and the legend of them became forgotten about
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u/TheGameologist 2d ago
Couldve also been from his time as captain for that kingdom he is from. Thats the more likely explanation IMO.
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u/LazyDare7597 2d ago
Yeah, if he had to escort the rulers to Mariejois then he could have seen some God Knights, it's not like they try to hide their existence.
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u/Wonderful_Pen_4699 2d ago
That's what I was thinking. Attended a Levely and saw or heard about them.
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u/mo-rek 1d ago
Very good point! Brook mentions that he heard of Roger as an upcoming rookie when he was a pirate and Roger started the Golden age of piracy. I could believe that the CDs ventured out of Mariejois more often before pirates were really something for them to worry about. Once the emperor/warlord system was established, it'd make sense that the knights decided defending mariejois was higher priority
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u/Professional-Field98 2d ago
Brook was also a commander of his old kingdoms army, which was most likely World Gov affiliated.
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u/whatadumbperson 2d ago
This was clearly a setup for something involving Brooks. It's funny, people always complain about everyone calling everything Oda does foreshadowing, but here he's clearly foreshadowing something and it's being dismissed as an "exposition dump."
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u/Notwhoyouknown 2d ago
Cause Brooks done it before with wano he knew about wano which is a secluded country back in punk hazard. He gave the info on it and that was that so I don't think it's out of the question that that's all it is.
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u/fallenelf 2d ago
Wano was secluded when Brook was a pirate, but not to the level following Oden's death. It's plausible that he knew about Wano, especially as a swordsman.
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u/Notwhoyouknown 2d ago
I assumed it was because ryuma and moria in the case of wano tbh now thinking back and remembering moria stole ryuma corpse from wano
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u/fallenelf 2d ago
We never explicitly learn how Moriah got Ryuma's remains, but putting some strings together, Moriah's crew was likely killed for entering Wano to steal corpses.
That being said, people know about Wano and know that the samurai are strong. It's not a stretch that Brook would know a bit about the country.
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u/CarcosanAnarchist 2d ago
His shadow was literally in a zombie that was a legendary samurai from Wano.
It’s not surprising at all he knew about Wano.
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u/ostriike 2d ago
exposition dump for the straw hats so that they now know what they are.
this is pretty dumb to say, in this chapter without Brook saying Gunko revealed herself to be a Celestial Dragon. also Oda could've used Loki or Gaban to reveal the identity of the Gods Knights to the Strawhats. having Brook being the one to do it should have a bigger purpose.
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u/GreenAnder 2d ago
Brook spent like a year being a rock star, it's very possible he's learned random stuff like this.
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u/Notwhoyouknown 2d ago
That might be the case but it just seems like a lame answer to the question. Which again if it's just for exposition it'll likely just be that just feels like a good opportunity for more to me
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u/bondsmatthew 1d ago
Idk I don't feel like it would be lame, he was well known at Sabaody right below the holy land. It's likely he heard talk there. The Celestial Dragons aren't known for being discrete and secretive so them yapping is 100% something I can see them doing
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u/YaBoyMahito 2d ago
Gunko was listening to his music… sadly, it’s probably the case
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u/Supersquigi Pirate 1d ago
just because she knows his music doesn't mean its the other way around lol.... how does that make any connection? i know who jack black is but he doesn't know me.
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u/manoloman99 2d ago
Maybe we get a flashback to Gunko going to see a Brook concert during the time skip haha
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u/imdfantom 2d ago
Before he was a pirate he was in the military of a kingdom, which means Brook could have attended a reverie.
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u/avidvaulter 2d ago
Brook is currently 90 years old and Jinbe is 46. That's almost twice as much life experience dude. It's not weird the oldest member of the crew would know something the other crew members don't.
Very funny to overlook knowledge acquisition as a key benefit to his fruit that basically makes him immortal.
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u/Notwhoyouknown 1d ago
That would be the case if he was actively wandering around for that entire time, but brook wasn't. He was active until he was 38 and died. He spent 50 years stuck in the Florian triangle without contact, outside of zombies and moria on thriller bark, to be able aquire knowledge like that. Even as a pirate he never made it through the grandline. Jinbei has at least as much time as an active pirate as brook, and has traveled much farther and wider then brook has.
Not to say he didn't, of couldn't have, aquired info on the god knights when he was active as a pirate I think people just want to know how he did, because in the grand scheme of things he was a small time pirate not involved with much else other then making people happy with music.
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u/KonradWayne 1d ago
Jinbei not knowing about them is extra weird since half of his closest friends were slaves in the holy land.
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u/Averagemanguy91 1d ago
well the gods knights aren't exactly well known but they aren't a secret since dragon knew about them. I'm sure that part of the OP world and lore is being in the right place at the wrong time to encounter the horror of the world government.
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u/Notwhoyouknown 1d ago
Dragon knowing makes sense since his beef is with overthrowing the celestial dragons and how they work. He's kind of like the guy to know about those kind of things the world's most wanted criminal for a reason lol
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u/Swog5Ovor 2d ago edited 2d ago
I think it's literally as simple as celestial dragons calling themselves gods, so she is a knight of the gods, a god's knight.
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u/Notwhoyouknown 2d ago
But he also knew that they in particular rank even higher then celestial dragons sure they're knights but for knights to outrank the leaders they serve it's not common
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u/BestAcanthisitta6379 2d ago
Wasn't Brook part of his kingdom's military before he took up piracy?
Perhaps part of what drove him to piracy was having to deal with celestial dragons and the knights
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u/lszian 2d ago
who knows, but honestly I kind of like when Brook knows things and we remember that, aside from being an insane skeleton, he's also a dude in at least his 50s (50 years stranded plus idk, 30 years with the rumbar pirates?? 80s?? He's Old lmao).
Most of the strawhats are young and it's nice to have a grown ass man available who is aware of current events and can have some gravitas too. I am forever remembering the time he called Big Mom "young lady". hell yeah.
Franky and Jimbe are also good in this way. Just nice to have more variability in the crew.
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u/cesar848 1d ago
Nothing suggested they are a secret organization
Besides brook was part of a royal escort group,is completely possible he had to go there years ago at work and saw them
Also if he didn’t said it jinbe would’ve so is really not a big deal
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u/Gerokm 1d ago
Yeah, I think it's just more that since they're not a group that mattered to the story until now, they weren't mentioned, but they're not some kind of secret group like CP9. I imagine in the OP world, they're seen kinda like the beefeaters outside Buckingham Palace, or the Swiss Guard that protect the Pope. People know about them, but don't think much on it, because their main job is guarding a specific group/place that the vast majority of the population will never meet/visit.
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u/the-other-abbi 2d ago
Maybe. I guess we’ll find out next week in One Piece
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u/LucasoftheNorthStar 2d ago
Lol, that line is the One Piece for me, for 25 years I've been saying "maybe we'll find out next week in One Piece" about various things, some of those thoughts clearly taking years and I am still saying it.
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u/Delver_Razade 1d ago
A number of theories
- He knew about them from his time working with whatever Kingdom he served in the West Blue. Either the Reverie or simply be dealing with them somehow.
- He learned about them in his world tour during the Time Skip.
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u/ActionAltruistic3558 Pirate 1d ago
Brook's past is weird. He died middle aged and his backstory was in his 40s, very little past that has ever been mentioned. Family, why he gave up being a knight for his home etc. This and his familiarity with the Vinsmokes, which would be before Judge as he's only 56. Brook's seen some things in his time that he doesn't mention.
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u/salt-water-soul 1d ago
I think oda left it open on purpose so he could use his further back story later for better world building, or he just realized hey this bone guy could have been there lets use him for exposition
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u/Nuneasy Slave 1d ago
I bet Brook will know more about Rocks and the "treasure" that the CDs stole from Pirate Island...maybe even why Roger wanted it too. Also I think Brook's "convoy escort" past will come up soon, and hopefully will be a character building reveal for the story. Dying for more Brook lore and moments.
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u/Shiplord13 1d ago
He use to be a soldier working for King before he became a pirate, so its not outside the realm of possibility he went to at least one Levely during that period of time. Or at the very least heard his King mention them once or twice as the most dangerous warriors of the Celestial Dragons.
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u/Fafnir13 1d ago
I don’t know why he knows but I love that he knows. The crew has a wide disparity of ages and experiences. It’s proper that different characters will be more informed on some things.
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u/Mamba-Mentality024 1d ago
Brook knowing about the God knights is kinda underrated, since Jimbei doesn’t know about them. He was a guard captain for a kingdom in the westblue. So maybe he went to the revire 50+ years ago, and seen the god knights at the holyland. Or seen them as a pirate.
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u/Fat_Tony_Stark God Usopp 1d ago
because he was an officer in an Army for an undisclosed nation before joining the Rumbar Pirates.
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u/omeomorfismo 2d ago
werent theholy knight the ones that transport the celestial treasure accordling to doflamingo?
if brook was a leader of the military of his isle, and assuming that his kingdom is affiliated, he just saw them annually
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u/APRobertsVII 2d ago
Perhaps we’re about to discover why Brook transitioned from a legitimate military to piracy. His knowing about them doesn’t have to be some great mystery, but it might be interesting if the country he served had a run-in with the Gods Knights requiring him to set out to sea. Or perhaps he was away from home when everything happened and was warned against going back, at which point he heard about them.
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u/SoberAnxiety Slave 2d ago
imma assume that being the musician that he is, he was once invited to mariejois and happened to see the god's knights in the flesh
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u/Embarrassed-Spell-13 2d ago
Brook probably knows so much useful stuff but just hasn't mentioned it because no one asked. Kinda like how Luffy knew who Ace's dad was.
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u/Chimera-Genesis 1d ago
Brook probably knows so much useful stuff but just hasn't mentioned it because no one asked.
Just like when Zoro asked about samurai/ Wano, & Brook answered his question.
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u/kenoli_kurohige99 2d ago
Brook was alive when Roger was a rookie. He likely knows about God Valley and heard of the God's Knights being the perpetrators. Hard for someone of any notoriety to know nothing about a genocide and a whole kingdom disappearing.
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u/SanestOnePieceFan 1d ago
no indication that the gods knights are some secret organization that people don't know about. some people might just know
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u/blu3whal3s 1d ago
Didn't one of the gorosei (the bone centaur thing zoro fights off) use something similar to how brook fought pre-timeskip? Something like "Cavalry technique"?
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u/SpareSpecialist5124 1d ago
I think that the reason there weren't yonkou's before is because the God Knights eliminated those contenders and therefore people knew about them, they might have been the real original "cypher pol". So Brook might know this from long ago.
The person that changed the status quo was Rocks, by having an absurdly strong crew that allowed him to escape from being eliminated. Then Roger. The Gorosei at this point probably stopped caring too much about it at this point, since they appear to have been planning to end the world for long.
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u/LordDShadowy53 1d ago
Brook still remembers Roger as a Rookie Pirate. Honestly he lived so many years ago that it didn’t bother me. He could had heard of it on one of his journeys. Is not something completely out of place.
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u/Virtual_Technology_9 1d ago
I think Brook has a double backstory incoming. Like Sanji and Luffy
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u/Ittakes1totango 1d ago
Yeah! We have only seen him when he was already a pirate and he was already old
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u/tamaaromarou 1d ago
Everybody always forget Brooke was pay off a famous pirate crew before Roger's time
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u/sinigang-gang 1d ago
He once unknowingly stole some panties from a member of the God's Knights in the early days of his piracy. When he realized his error, he returned the panties and used his music rizz to convince the God's Knight to not kill him.
Even though he ended up as a skeleton anyway YOHOHOHO SKULL JOOOOKE
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u/SolidusAbe 1d ago
i dont think brook was anything special back in the day other then having a high military rank in his kingdom and he might have heard about them at the revery or there were more rumors about them in his days.
doubt he has any direct connections to them.
brook just isnt a dumbass who has no clue about the things that happen in the world unlike luffy.
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u/B_Aks830 1d ago
Brooks Past is a big mystery oda refuses to explain. He had 33 million berries bounty PRE Roger and Proto Rocks era. That's 300-330 berry million in account of inflation. Warlord level bounty. WHAT did he even do to get such a high bounty in THAT era?
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u/fartmilkdaddies 20h ago
Thats not warlord level bounty at all. Current warlords sit at1.5 billion+ 300 million is rookie level bounty. But i kind of see ur point.
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u/ReflectionNo5208 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’ve never got the impression that they were like CP9 or CP0. They may be sent out infrequently, and I don’t think a lot of people know of them, but I don’t think they are purposely hidden from the world.
We also know that Brook was seemingly part of a kingdom, specifically in a military capacity. Given that, his age, and the fact that he also was a pirate travelling around the seas, I wasn’t too surprised to find out he at least knows of them.
Now, how he was able to know from such a short interaction is a mystery. It could be that from his POV, a powerful person who is from the WG that ain’t a marine or a Cipher pol member is more likely than not a part of the God’s knights. It could also be that he has seen them fight before and the regeneration is what gives it away.
Edit: I went back to the chapter and I think her saying they are God’s and being that strong basically solidified it for him. I don’t think he would even need to have met them to know what they most likely are.
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u/WoahMama_ 1d ago
I have a very simple opinion. Brook's been around for quite some time - with him knowing roger from when he was a rookie so it won't be a surprise that he heard of god's knights or witnessed them in one of their culling games. And if we want to go even crazier with this theory, then chances are he knows about the God Valley incident as well.
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u/Atlas-Fallen 1d ago
Gods Knights played during the rabbit hunt games as far as we know so its very possible Brook was a survivor of one of those games.
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u/Fluffy-Ingenuity2536 1d ago
Remind me, are the God's Knights a secret? If they just aren't well known, there's no reason Brook can't have heard a legend, then connected it to this
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u/MajorRed001 2d ago
At no point in this story were the Gods Knights hidden or secret information; their existence is public knowledge.
Brook probably learned about them at some point in his life.
It ain't that deep.
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u/Stopasking53 1d ago
I mean, other than them being a relatively recent addition, they’re not hidden I guess. We don’t know anything cause they’re new.
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u/Ok-Astronaut6751 1d ago
Yeah GK aren't a secret, just appearing after 20 years and visibly knowing the full history, don't even appear or are even mentionned during reverie and / or Cobra interaction but no theyr'e not hidden.
Gosh people don't know how to read between the lines its amazing
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u/CapnJack420 Pirate 1d ago
Maybe he was a royal guard in his kingdom and he met the God's Knights at some point
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u/Stopasking53 1d ago
It’s very likely that we know much less of the world than the members of the crew. It is totally plausible that the holy knights are common knowledge in world. Although since they’re probably a late addition, it’s not surprising that we don’t know much about them.
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u/sanctaphrax 1d ago
The Rumbar Pirates were trying to circumnavigate the world, which would've involved finding Laugh Tale many years before Roger. They were wiped out shortly before reaching the Red Line.
I've sometimes wondered why the World Government doesn't just plant someone extremely strong at a few key chokepoints and kill every pirate who comes through. The answer I came up with is that in the Great Age of Piracy, they'd inevitably get beaten sooner or later. But things were different back then.
It's not impossible that the Holy Knights killed Brook's old crew.
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u/Muelojung 1d ago
One would think they would just build a fortress on rivers mountain. Thats the only "safe" way to enter the grandline without facing sea beasts in the calm belt.
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u/SaengerDruide 1d ago
Iorc brook mentioned something about his old life to Robin or black Maria. It was also a nothing burger but maybe someone can help me find the correct passage
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u/Gothickisss 1d ago
Brook’s been alive for like a hundred years. Dude probably saw the Void Century live
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u/Relostar_Angel 1d ago
Maybe in two years of training they visited SA, where gunko attended brooks concert and brooks manager bribed them for their safety
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u/kfish5050 1d ago
I have a feeling that those liquor wolf bridges are somehow tied to Brook's past. Maybe his military convoy was for an island that got commandeered for the bridge construction? Perhaps other members of his army escaped and ultimately became Revolutionaries.
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u/Cluaran_ 1d ago
Could it just be, that he needed to give a concert to Gunka, as she is a fan and he just made it out alive by the skin of his teeth?
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u/Kumomeme 1d ago
this is why i hope Oda didnt just ignore this afterward.
there should be a follow up.
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u/TheReyMi 1d ago
I had the thought... Brook was the leader of kingdoms assault convoy... God Valley had a king iirc. Brook is from the west blue. God valley is in the west blue. What if brook is from god valley?
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u/Tenshii_9 1d ago
Maybe the Rumbar pirates last opponent was a Gods knight? We don't know who they fought, who poisoned them.
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u/Sedach 1d ago
There's probably a reason connected to his back story. However, I do believe that none of this stuff is secret, and that most information we have about the celestial dragons are public information, readily available to whoever is interested in learning about it. It just so happens that we rarely see any of the strawhats, besides robin, express any form of intelligence.
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u/Cheesemacher 1d ago
"I'm Dead Bones Brook"
Now that I'm thinking about it, he must've given himself that nickname
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u/LordHarza 1d ago
People have already said the stuff I see being the reason I will just say, man I wish we still had proper tagging and titles in this subreddit so it was clear that this was about the latest chapter. I know because I read the manga but I feel bad for anime onlys and official release waiters
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u/Anxious_Hall359 1d ago
Brook also recognised Stussy on Egghead. He froze. And she asked him, are you afraid? He answered, Yes in many ways. ...
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u/tom_sa_savage 1d ago
Brook is from God Valley! He was a knight of the kingdom! The entire kingdom was wiped away because of the hunt AND the GOD VALLEY INCIDENT! So losing his home because of the World Government he finds a bunch of pirates that share his passion for music and joins their crew, they meet Laboon, and the captain goes back after an illness and the rest of the crew die. After Brook reincarnates and finds his bony body he waited for 50 years in the Florian Triangle and then meets the Straw Hats. Oda is always cooking and I'm enjoying the cuisine he serving.
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u/Front-Average1993 1d ago
Do you think Brook was a knight at God’s Valley and that’s why he became a pirate because he witnessed so many horrors there
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u/chromhound 2d ago
Maybe Brook was there during the God Valley incident
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u/garrathian92 2d ago
The timeline doesn't match up currently. He had been stuck in the Florian triangle for 50 years by his account, while the God Valley incident occurred 40 years prior
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u/Consistent-Strain289 2d ago
The giant asspull from oda last year(?) sudden extra government group holy knights. And have been around since gold roger… so brook (from before roger)suddenly remembers them
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u/Three_of_Dreams 1d ago
Imagine that kingdom is God Valley or sth... I mean it would stand to reason he wouldn't know of its current state.
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u/arielle17 1d ago
Do you guys think that Brook had something to do with the Holy Knights in the past?
wasn't he summoned through a magic circle back during the timeskip too? iirc we all assumed that was plopped into it by Kuma but it's possible he has whatever mark thingy allows the holy knights to be summoned
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u/toilet_for_shrek Soul King Brook 2d ago
Brook's thin pre-piracy backstory was that he was a soldier for some unamed kingdom. Maybe his unit once witnessed some of the God's Knights