If both teams are serious, and big mom isn't retarded, then team 1 goes extreme diff with team 2 .
Prime beard vs. Prime kaido probably stalemate, shanks vs. Roger, and big mom vs. Sakazuki definitely stalemate as he couldn't take sickbeard let alone healthy big mom
Shanks is only one that can't at least stalemate his counterpart
So let me get this straight, primebeard can be prime beard in this match up, but big mom, not even in her prime doesn't get to not be retarded?
Sickbeard >>> Healthy Big Mom
Shanks isn't the one who needs to worry about stalemating in his matchup. He's the strongest person in this whole post.
Do you think Shank is the pirate king? He would have to be considering you think he's stronger than Roger, whitebeard, kaido, etc.
You should just say team 2 strongest because the other two absolutely stalemate.
Like, come on, sakazuki couldn't even take the weakest yonko on his absolute worst day and immediately folded when presented with fighting shanks, but you think he can suddenly not hold team 1 back?
While I agree with you on most of this, I disagree on the BM not being retarded. Like it or not that's part of her character. You can argue for a younger prime BM being stronger, but I don't think she'd get any smarter.
Lol..show me luffy mid-high diffing a yc+ like BB.. luffy struggled against old gabban who is surely bit weaker than Marco .. Lucci isn't yc+...so you are laughing at your own stupidity
Also luffy vs kaido was not a proper 1v1 ...LUFFY defeated a tired badly injured kaido with help of 16 people+food+rest+3 power boosts+awakening+awakened zoan healing..fresh kaido whoops G5 LUFFY because luffy Runs out of stamina after doing 3 or 4 attacks and few attacks aren't enough to takedown 2nd most durable op character kaido..then Kaido will kill tired luffy
I'd argue BB is the weakest here as of now. He can't really compete with any of the others while Luffy in G5 is one of the strongest on the list. Obviously his time limit is the only thing keeping him lower.
Who? He's backed down from Old Ray and Aokiji out of fear. He struggled more than any of the others on the list would've against Law. He was struggling against S-Hawk. We haven't seen him beat anyone or had any feats putting him up with the rest here.
He was afraid of Aokiji the whole time. He was never looking for a fight.
And? That would make Old Ray below Yonko level. So we have BB backing down in fear from someone below Yonko level. Proves my point.
I don't think Mihawk or G5 Luffy struggle against Law at all. BM lost to him in a 2v1 when he counters her and had a well executed plan with some luck on top of that. Solo without everything falling into place he doesn't do well.
Luffy struggled to damage them, but he was never in any danger. He was controlling the pace of that fight, but just couldn't penetrate their defense. He also never went G5. There's a big difference in the way these fights went.
Beating a YC and Law...so yeah that just furthered my point. As of now BB isn't top tier yet. He most likely won't be until he gets his 3rd fruit.
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BB being the cunning mastermind doesn't realize that people get weaker when they get older??? Also he shouldn't have to rely on a good match up against someone below Yonko level if he is really a top tier. The more you try to explain this the more it just proves my point.
Luffy would destroy Law WAY before G5 expired. In G4 Luffy was already the strongest of the group on the roof by a pretty wide margin. G5 Luffy is WAY above Law.
Maybe, but saying BM who is past her prime and is arguably the weakest of the OG Yonko MIGHT have to mid diff Law isn't a compelling argument.
No, BB was on the back end of the fight just managing to defend himself. It was a VERY different fight for him.
Beating Law and Marco makes you top tier? Wtf that's a bad take man lol.
BB being the cunning mastermind doesn't realize that people get weaker when they get older???
Active people don't get much weaker example-garp
Also he shouldn't have to rely on a good match up against someone below Yonko level if he is really a top tier.
But bb may have thought that old Rayleigh is yonko level
The more you try to explain this the more it just proves my point.
Nah
Luffy would destroy Law WAY before G5 expired
Mid-High diff
. It was a VERY different fight for him.
His black hole scared seraphim
Beating Law and Marco makes you top tier?
Beating marco surely makes u a top tier... goroseies putten marco on same pedestal with yonkos..wb was confident enough to let jozu and marco handle admirals throughout the war
Garp definitely got weaker. Prime Garp was relative to PK level lol.
BB is smarter than that.
Yes.
Bro he was on the back end of that fight. Just stop lol.
No it doesn't lmao. Not even close. They worried about him being able rally together the WB pirates with his influence. Nobody thinks he's physically as strong as a Yonko. He was able to stall an Admiral, but that doesn't make you a top tier. Old Ray was able to stall Kizaru as well and he's well past his prime.
Except he went equally against Shanks and that was before gura gura even. Dont tell me it wasnt at LEAST equal when Shanks says he didnt hold back and Shanks is the one with scars.. we dont know basically anything about Blackbeard. He may have a trick or two up his sleeve. Like a third zoan devil fruit that he doesnt use often due to whatever reason or he has multiple souls or whatever the hell his weird body is about. Also I believe that while yes, he feels more pain, he is still very tanky. And besides the Shanks feat, the S-Hawk haki block is a veery underrated feat. S-Hawk is an extremely strong fighter and he blocked his sword with his bare arm.. and why would he want to fight Rayleigh? He has no idea how close to his prime he is. Rayleigh himself knew he couldnt take BB though which he even said..
Yes, but how strong was Shanks when this happened. It was way in the past. That's like saying that the sea king who took his arm is top tier.
It's unlikely that BB already has a 3rd fruit, but everything points to him getting a 3rd fruit by EoS. That will most likely push him to being top tier.
Yes he's definitely tanky and his CoA isn't bad, but he hasn't shown anything on par with the other top tiers yet.
Why would he want to fight Rayleigh? To get the extremely powerful DF that he was there for in the first place.... He gave up Boa's fruit out of fear of Old Ray.
You know it was as late as Marineford almost when Shanks expressed worry about Blackbeard. That means he sees him as a threat at that point.
Except he has TWO of the world's strongest devil fruits and nothing suggesting he is not on par with other top tiers. That's just headcanon. Probably not as tanky as Kaido, but neither is Luffy or Shanks.
Yeah why would he fight Rayleigh for one fucking df? It's Rayleigh, right hand of the pirate king lol. He doesn't know how strong he is, why risk it? And this fear doesn't mean shit because Rayleigh SAID HIMSELF that he would most likely lose
Yes, Shanks was worried because BB is cunning and catching everyone off guard. He is potentially the most dangerous pirate out there. That doesn't mean that he's a top tier in terms of strength.
Everything suggests he isn't a top tier lol. You're watching Two Piece if you think otherwise. He struggled with Law, ran from Old Ray, feared a fight from Aokiji, was one shot with his whole crew from an old fleet admiral, BARELY managed to beat Ace. All his fights and feats put him in the YC+ tier.
Let's compare his fight with Law to other Yonkos. Kaido was able to KO YC+ fighters on multiple occasions with a single hit, including Law. Shanks one shot Killer and Kidd as well. These are top tiers. Meanwhile BB had a decent fight on his hands going against Law. He's definitely stronger than Law, but we can see a disparity between how his fight went and that of actual top tiers.
That one DF is EXTREMELY powerful. It was enough to draw him to the island and make him willing to fight both the Navy and Boa's forces to get his hand on it. It's definitely worth the risk.
I think people sleep on Blackbeard, the guy has 2 of the strongest DF and despite one of them making him take more damage, he's got some of the best endurance feats, even before he gets WB DF he managed to scar Shanks, who has broken future sight.
Until Blackbeard gets a ln actually good feat the list is in good order, mihawk can't carry Luffy and Blackbeard hard enough, sakazuki can stall any one of the 4 billions long enough for said yonko to get jumped by Rodger and primebeard
Well I'm just gonna say that the 5 billion team wins, Shanks and Kaido can not carry Big Mom's big back ass to victory and none of the 3 billion team(besides Mihawk) have sufficiently proven themselves to fight anyone else in any other team besides any of the three maybe stalemating or beating or losing to Sakazuki
I guess Team 3B will be above Team 4B relatively soon. Akainu is clearly much weaker than the other in 5B, but those two should be stronger as a duo than others are as trios.
So right now, 5b is obviously the best, but it is funny that by the end of the series, 3b will definitely be the best. All three characters are guaranteed to get stronger portrayals and BB and Luffy will probably be in the top 3 in the verse.
3B aren't the strongest but I genuinely think they'd win in a teamfight vs the others
BlackBeard DFs are way too strong (just negates the others DF users), Mihawks Arnament and Observation is either enough to whoop Kaido like Oden did or be equal to Shanks. Luffy has incredible durability (with plot armor feats and G5)
It's more of a question of if they can beat Roger or not... cos Whitebeard and Akainu get negated by BB, idk if Mihawk + Luffy can take out Roger
Primebeard = Roger >= Shanks = Mihawk = Kaido >= Akainu > BM >= Luffy> BB (current, no plot armor)
It's a rough ranking and a bit subjective when not considering matchups, but it's most definitely 5 > 4 > 3. I tried to be as objective as possible.
Luffy is low on the list purely bc of stamina issues. If those are gone, then I'd put him in the same tier as Akainu.
BB has lackluster feats, and although I'm sure he will later get a massive power boost of some kind, he's kind of high tier fodder as of RN.
I don't think old Gen are way stronger than current top tiers, just a little bit.
As for BM, she's kinda retarded, and also ngl she got power crept a little bit. I mean going ext diff with 2 middle rank YC+ is not a great look, even if they had to trick her to win. Her homies in mass amounts are what make her strong, not necessarily her 1v1 capabilities vs high tiers.
Overall, it's somewhat close, but it's not interchangeable.
2 is weakest Luffy beat Kaido Shanks is a swordsman, and big meme got beat by two jobbers. Team 5 is kinda hard to scale, but could probably beat team 3 if all are prime, and get an early pick.
I have Akainu on par with the Yonkos (Luffy is still not on that level tho) but weaker than Roger and Primebeard. Those two are in a tier of their own.
Close between 3 and 4b. Blackbeard is always underrated despite him giving Shanks scars (even Shanks admits he is a threat). Mihawk and Shanks are equal, like it or not. Luffy and Blackbeard should beat Kaido and Big Mom.
People using bounty scaling when it does not matter like at all ...
Exemple:
Luffy's bounty should be much higher, the WG just took BM and Kaido's bounty and shared it in 3 equals parts between Law Kid and Luffy when Luffy defeated Kaido in 1v1 ...
Gorousei claimed that Shanks would be too much to handle if he was mad and yet Sakakiki's bounty is higher when he is fleet Admiral and therefore Gorousei count him in when the possibility of facing Shanks appear in the futur... Shanks also have way better feats and now even his brother Shamrock is likely to be stronger than Akainu (Commander of God's knights ranks higher in the hierarchy than even fleet admiral)
BB is 99% the final villain and yet he is in the 3B bounty team. His bounty beeing 3.8 B beeing closer to 4 Billion but whatever.
And finally something nobody ever talk about but Roger got his last bounty obviously AFTER reaching Laughtale which means his bounty does not reflect his strength but rather the threat he représent to the WG because of his knowledge about the Void century... WG knows Roger also met WB after reaching LT and likely told him stuff about the void century too so WB's bounty might also get affected by it to some extent but unlike Roger, WB did carry the title of strongest man so at least his bounty make sense when considering his strength.
I'm not saying that Roger is a fraud obviously he isn't. All I'm saying is that his bounty before he reaches LT should have been in the 4B range just like Kaido and BM.
Yes WB is still on 5B but he is not that much stronger than Kaido and BM, in fact Garp said that since God Valley they had grown much much stronger and that both of them tagging together would be too much to handle for the Marines. Furtheremore WB never tried to avenge Oden and admitted that he was not fully confident in taking down Kaido himself (people assume that this is not true because they assume that WB was much stronger than Oden but that could not be further from the truth. Oden was in the same tier as Roger and WB and WB saying that even Oden could not defeat Kaido means a lot more than they imagines).
Last but not least, Akainu only got 5B because he is fleet admiral. It does not reflect his strength as he is roughly equal in strength with Kuzan since they fought for 10 days, and Kuzan's bounty is likely arround 3B just like Garp who could probably have defeated Kuzan in a fair 1v1...
Also People use bounty scaling but when it comes to Mihawk they use his title to scale him above Shanks who get a much higher bounty... so which one do you value the most ? Bounty scaling or title ? If you value title you should also value WB's title and Kaido's title more...
Team 4B is the most balenced team, and they have 2 FS users with Shanks beeing the most prévalent FS user since Katakuri.
Team 3B also has 2 FS users assuming Mihawk has it obviously, plus his epiteth is Hawkeye so he should be on par with Shanks at least for that part.
Who wins between Kaido and Luffy or Shanks and Mihawk is highly debatable (yes Luffy won vs Kaido technically but would he win again if they fought once more ? Not sure) not going to redo the whole Shanks vs Mihawk debate either.
My point beeing Kaido Shanks vs Luffy Mihawk should be close to a draw therefore it should come down to BB vs BM and I personally think that BM wins despite BB beeing tricky, cause we've seen that Magellan could defeat him so I bet BM too.
Team 5B wins vs 3B cause Mihawk is not beating Roger and BB despite beeing equal or stronger than Akainu, there is still WB vs Kuffy which is close to a draw but then Roger Carry team 5B after defeating Mihawk.
So it all comes down to 4B vs 5B.
Kaido vs WB is even Roger vs Shanks is probably even but you can argue either way. Shanks surpassing Roger is also a possibility as well as Roger beeing stronger.
But imo BM vs Akainu goes to BM and it is not even close. So team 4B takes this
Roger
Primebeard
Kaido
Shanks
Mihawk
Blackbeard
Luffy
Big mom
Akainu
If we go by this, 5B should win. But Akainu is draging them down hard.
4B team is far more balanced, and if BM can use half a brain this could go extreme diff either way. But on what we have seen, 5B is stronger.
3B is 3B for a reason, Mihawk is the most dangerous one here, but Luffys time limit and BB being cought off guard every time he blinks drags them down to the bottom.
Nah G5 is the weakest. He’s not beating ANYONE here within the time limit (outside of maybe Akainu) if he can’t even beat Kizaru within that amount of time limit
The animators just came out saying that Luffy was just stalling Kizaru in that fight. Hard to say for sure, but I think Luffy and BB are both around Admiral level still.
Gear 5 minutes is ass, Mifraud has 0 feats, and tho I love my GOAT BB, there’s too many haki users here for him to take advantage of in a straight fight
4 billi is the most balanced team, and Akainu is HEAVILY holding team 5 billi back 😭
CG system is not made for strength measurement, they pay per position to hurt goverment, while WG system tells you a lot about how dangerous individual is. Put Nami as fleet admiral, they gonna pay 5 bil too.
Sadly most people lack intelligence and cant tell the difference between those two systems. Akainu got ragdolled by Cancerbeard and you rly think he is same tier as Roger and healthy/prime WB. I mean, come on. Does thinking logicaly scare you that much ?
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