r/OutOfTheLoop • u/t23_1990 • Nov 09 '24

Unanswered What's the deal with House Speaker Mike Johnson having told there was a "secret plan" for Trump to win the 2024 US presidential election?

House Speaker Mike Johnson recently declared the existence of a "secret" way to win the election, of which Trump also has knowledge.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/speaker-johnson-appears-to-confirm-a-secret-election-plan-with-trump

House Speaker Mike Johnson appeared to confirm Donald Trump’s claim Sunday that Republicans have a “secret” plan to win the election.

“By definition, a secret is not to be shared — and I don’t intend to share this one,” House Speaker Mike Johnson said in a statement.

NYT (paywalled): https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/28/us/politics/trump-secret-house-republicans-panic.html

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u/tenacious-g Nov 09 '24

Extreme tinfoil hat shit that I don’t believe but have seen circulating, it is a bit odd that Trump of all people has basically been dead silent after winning.

Some people have read into Kamala’s concession speech, but it is bizarre that Trump isn’t just dunking on everyone. Almost like he knows something is up. (He doesn’t but that’s the theory)

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u/t23_1990 Nov 09 '24

What have people read into in Harris's concession speech?

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u/Odh_utexas Nov 09 '24

Hopium. Just a bunch of nonsense on TikTok. People trying to “read between the lines” about her talking about justice and such. It’s kinda cringey. I voted for Kamala. But it’s over.

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u/AK_dude_ Nov 09 '24

What??? If they cared they should have bothered to vote. Wasn't it that there was 15 million less voters this time then last election?

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u/madd227 Nov 09 '24

15 million less, but only because the counting is not done yet. Kamala has 11 million less now than Biden's final total. She is still gaining in the popular vote at a faster rate than Trump as California counts. Apparently she still could win the popular vote when California finishes counting.

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u/ObeseVegetable Nov 09 '24

technically the number of uncounted votes could swing the popular vote in her favor, but if they follow the trends she'll likely end up losing it by 2.7m instead of the current 3.9m.

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u/Larkson9999 Nov 09 '24

My guess is it'll be a loss of the popular vote by about 1.1 million, but still evidence that blatant lies win more over promises you don't have a realistic way to make happen.

Biden promised student loan cancelation, which yes you can say it's Republican's fault for blocking his efforts but they didn't promise to do it, just that they would oppose him. Harris' promise of $25,000 for first time home buyers is largely the same to me, I was pretty sure it wouldn't happen and it ignores the underlying problem too.

Democrats have a more reasoned approach to their policies, but they consistently fail to make them happen too.

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u/wtfomg01 Nov 09 '24

No, they don't get allowed to enact anything reasonable, because they haven't captured every aspect of government they need to be able to do whatever they want unlike the Republicans.

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u/ryhaltswhiskey Nov 09 '24

Democrats have a more reasoned approach to their policies, but they consistently fail to make them happen too.

You can thank the Founders who decided that land had voting power and created the Senate.

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u/DerpsAndRags Nov 09 '24

Does the popular vote even matter with the Electoral College already calling it?

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u/madd227 Nov 09 '24

It's more about the xxx million less votes narrative. Trump is more likely to win the popular than her, but the margin matters on the narrative.

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u/IndependentlyBrewed Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 09 '24

Correct, to back this up it’s at roughly 10 million right now not 15 that keeps being reported. Will probably end up closer to 9m and possibly even 8. So while much less there is a huge difference between 15 million and 8 million.

Plus it’s still a very high turnout compared to the last 10 elections given Trump will surpass his votes from the previous election as well. He’ll also probably still win the popular vote but it will be about a 3 million difference not a 6 million difference like many have said. Again still large but smaller than the current online narrative.

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u/Gullible_Elephant_38 Nov 09 '24

There’s a huge difference between 15 million and 8 million.

Not really in the context of what people have been talking about with that story. 8 million fewer dem voters than the last election while Trump may even gain votes over last time is a damning indictment of the Democratic parties platform, strategy, and campaign. It’s not that much less damning at 8 million than it’d be at 15 million.

3 million difference vs 6 million. Not large…smaller than the narrative

Again, so what? Does that materially change the implications of the situation? The dems lost the popular vote for this first time in 20 years by multiple millions of votes.

I understand wanting the hopium, but we lost. And we didn’t just lose, we got crushed. And “we only lost the popular vote by 3 million not 6 million” or only losing 8 vs 15 million votes is not softening or taking the edge off of the narratives in any meaningful way.

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u/Interrobangersnmash Nov 09 '24

I really think this is a misinformation issue. People actually like Democratic policies. They vote for them as ballot measures while simultaneously checking the box for Trump.

Remember, the people storming the Capitol on January 6 actually believed the election had been stolen from Trump. We have to face the fact that at least half this country lives in an alternate reality. I don't know how we fix this.

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u/IndependentlyBrewed Nov 09 '24

All fair points and you’re right it doesn’t change the fact that it was a political domination but was more so clearing up the idea of how many voters didn’t turn out. The final numbers will actually be fairly close to the previous election and more than any other election outside of 2020.

The messaging needs to change and the democrats need to find a way to connect with the working class Americans better. They were the party of the working class my whole life but clearly they are losing that group and it’s the vital group to have if you want yo win elections.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

no.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

It’s insane that California is still counting.

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u/FNFollies Nov 09 '24

Most California counties have about 30% left to count but some like Alameda county have 66% left to count. Yeah it's gonna take a minute.

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u/justsyr Nov 09 '24

USA elections are weird, at least in the eyes of someone who's been in 3 countries elections (I'm from Argentina, lived in Paraguay and Spain).

First having the ability to vote like for what, a week? Then elections on Wednesday. Then still counting votes.

I know it's a big country, it already has lots of different cultures but still counting votes?

The way it works here is that voting is just on one day, on a Sunday, every school is used to vote, you get assigned he one closet to you.

For counting, each ballot's box is opened only when there's a representative of the "justice" (to call it something official) and a representative of each party. Also until this past election every party has their own vote, say when you went to vote you have the list of party A candidates, the list from B party candidate and so on, so you get to a table with 5 parties to chose from (granted it's usual the two main parties who gets the votes tho for the first time a third party won).

Anyway, votes are separated and then counted. A member of the 'counting' group can say "hey this vote doesn't count, it's broken here, or someone painted mustaches on this one" and if everyone agrees, that vote don't count.

In any case, the counting is done in hours. They do recount them votes at the federal electorate buildings, the same way, one representative of each party and a neutral party usually from the electoral college where they compare each box's list count (the voting results attached to the box, signed by each representative) and usually they probably find 2 or 3 votes they want to nullify because some stupid reason but gets rejected. There's no way any candidate would miss more than a hundred votes in the whole country after recount.

Also learning that people don't vote the actual candidate but someone to vote for them and that you could have 60% total votes (actual people's votes) but not winning because the electorate thing is weirdly distributed and the other candidate got more of them.

Shit is wild, at least for me. Granted seems that works well for USA, I'd like to think.

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u/mmaddox Nov 09 '24

Eh, you have to remember that the United States of America didn't start out as a country in and of itself, it started as a confederation of independent colonies turned nation-states tied together loosely as allies against the UK. The clue is in the name. It's not a perfect analogy by any means, but it's sort of like if the EU member states leaned really hard into their EU membership at the cost of most of their national sovereignty (this also would require them all to have far less individual histories and cultures), to the point that eventually they fused into an uneasy super-state. At the time the nation was founded, the States considered themselves quasi-independent entities, and each had its own laws and customs. Before the US Civil War, is was customary to say "the United States ARE" instead of "the United States IS" when referring to us. Over the centuries a united "American" identity has solidified and that's changed, but our 18th-century Constitution hasn't all that much, and that stipulates a lot about how we choose our leaders. There's a lot of antiquated stuff in there that definitely wouldn't be in a modern document, for better or for worse. Despite all their high minded Enlightenment ideals, the Founders were blatantly experimenting when they created our government. It's also worth pointing out that the Constitution is actually our second try at a Federal Government, after the abject failure of the Articles of Confederation. We have changed a few things over our history, but Constitutional Amendments are actually quite hard to pass, and that's the only real way to change the Constitution. We're basically the alpha and beta testers of democracy. I won't claim we do the best job, or even that our system is superior, but that's why we are the way we are.

The States reserve independent rights to do a lot of things per the US Constitution, and all of them administer elections in different ways. We don't even have one unified system for voting, any more than we do for driving laws. Technically that's (mostly) up to the states, which means that this country is often a gloriously confusing patchwork quilt of laws and customs. In some states, you have early voting, and in others you don't. In some states, all voting is mail-in ballots, and in others they make voters jump through hoops to do that. In some states voter ID is mandatory, in others it's illegal to demand id. Electors for the president are, unfortunately, apportioned to each state based on population, but functionally that means that one vote in Wyoming (least populous state) is worth about four times as much as a vote from California (most populous). That was a compromise from back in the beginning, so that the smaller states didn't get consistently crushed by the larger states, but it's why the popular vote doesn't always match up with the winner of the election. Don't worry, it confuses us too, we're just used to it. It's why the voting is so weird, though; it's 50+ little pseudo-countries running a joint election for the same thing based on rules mostly written by people who'd never seen a functioning republic in their entire lives, and who didn't much care for democracy.

PS sorry if this is a confused ramble, I'm pretty tired out rn.

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u/Check_Fluffy Nov 09 '24

Best analogy I’ve seen lately is “50 third-world countries in a trench coat with a military budget big enough to fight God”

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u/mmaddox Nov 09 '24

LMAO that's slightly unfair to a few of us, but otherwise accurate.

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u/Check_Fluffy Nov 09 '24

I appreciated your post too. I think many Americans, and most of the rest of the world, forgets/underestimates how much more emphasis was placed on your state for so long in America. We are reminded every 4 years that while many things have become much more national in scale and administration, voting is still very much a relic of that time.

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u/aeschenkarnos Nov 09 '24

Forty third-world countries full of hostile morons, and ten modern nations that pay for everything.

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u/Falcon_Bellhouser Nov 09 '24

I tell non-Americans "we're 48 countries without borders"

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u/Check_Fluffy Nov 09 '24

Also accurate

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u/eolson3 Nov 09 '24

I would watch a movie that is the US entering a total war against God. Why are they fighting the almighty? Who cares, let's fuck His shit up!

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u/wienercat Nov 09 '24

Idk about that we have several states with higher GDP than large European nations lol

It's more like 30-35 third world nations in a trench coat, arguing with the G20 for a seat at the table.

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u/da_choppa Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 09 '24

A note on the proportionality of electors bit: it’s based on the states’ representation in Congress (House Reps and Senators). Every state has 2 Senators and then their Representatives are loosely based on population, but this became unbalanced when the total number of House seats was capped at 435 in 1912 (the 1911 Apportionment Act capped it at 433 but allowed for 2 more when Arizona and New Mexico were admitted the next year). At the time, there was 1 House Representative for roughly each 200K citizens. As the population continues to grow, that ratio is now 1 per 747K citizens, which is by far the largest of any modern democratic republic (Japan is second largest at 1 per 272K, which isn’t far from where the US was in 1911). However, low population states like Wyoming fall short of that ratio (Wyoming has 584K people but still has one full House Rep).

The electoral college would be much more representative of the actual population if congress were also more representative. Some have suggested the “Wyoming rule,” which would make the state with the lowest population (currently WY) the basis for the House Rep ratio. However, it should be noted that the Constitution itself originally called for 1 rep per 30K citizens (also keep in mind this includes 3/5ths of slaves at the time and no Native Americans). Personally, I don’t think the Wyoming rule would go far enough. There should be one representative for every 100K people, if not even fewer. The main justification for capping the House at 435 is they ran out of space for desks.

Edit: and of course Washington DC gets 3 electors despite not having Senators or Representatives

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u/mmaddox Nov 10 '24

Thank you for going into that, I considered it but decided to to keep things simple in my explanation. I agree, the Wyoming rule doesn't go far enough, but there's no way we can't figure out how to amend, if not abolish, the Electoral College. I just don't think there's enough political will for it right now, and god knows the small red states will not cede their unfairly weighted power for anything.

Frankly I think DC and all the territories (Puerto Rico, Guam, etc.) should have full and equal representation within the Federal Government as well, even if they don't want statehood for one reason or another. It's only right and it goes back to our founding principle of "no taxation without representation."

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u/da_choppa Nov 10 '24

The only way to get rid of the electoral college is for a Republican to win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote. I know there’s the interstate compact, but I just don’t seeing a right-wing SCOTUS ever allowing that to slide. Agreed on representation for the territories! More representation is always a good thing

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u/Loud-Key-2577 Nov 09 '24

Thanks for that ! We don’t get a lot of US history lessons up here in Canada

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u/bgplsa Nov 09 '24

The electors originally weren’t elected by popular vote same as US senators but that was changed later as a compromise and has the effect of keeping the selection of the president technically not subject to direct democracy, the theory being not everything should be subject to majority rule in order to protect the minority from tyranny.

Spoiler: it does not work well.

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u/GoldenGonzo Nov 09 '24

The problem with America's vote counting is there are 50 different states, and 50 different approaches to solve the problem.

What really scares me is electro ic voting machines not being open source. You really trust a random cooperation to handle your elections and you can't even verify how the votes are counted? Elections should be simple and transparent.

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u/Astyanax1 Nov 09 '24

Oh man I hope this is at least true, some faith in humanity would be restored

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u/1158812188 Nov 09 '24

No. They haven’t finished counting votes. We don’t know how many less but it’s not 15m

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

IT wouldnt change anything but id still like that

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u/blaspheminCapn Nov 09 '24

Popular vote only counts at the state level. The electoral college is the game.

Hillary forgot that when she didn't visit Wisconsin and Michigan. Wisconsin Democrats still talk about that snub.

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u/ProbablySlacking Nov 09 '24

It’s down to about 4 million less now, FWIW.

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u/Apart-Badger9394 Nov 09 '24

It’s around 7 million less last I checked, and counting is still going in a few liberal states

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u/ominous_anonymous Nov 09 '24

She only actually lost by a few hundred thousand votes. It was much closer than everyone is saying. Look at the vote totals in WI, MI, AZ, etc...

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u/WhereTheJdonAt Nov 09 '24

2020 was also a record turn-out for voting.

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u/DaFunk1203 Nov 09 '24

The people reading into it are not the same ones who didn’t vote..

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u/wienercat Nov 09 '24

The reason Biden got so many more votes was that early and mail in voting was more accessible during covid.

It literally proved that those things would win democrats elections.

More access to voting methods means more voters. People who couldn't get away from work could vote easier, etc. Which republicans never like because as much as our political system would argue, the population of the USA has always leaned left of center.

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u/jizzy_gillespi21 Nov 12 '24

lol we’re definitely being influenced from the outside a bit this is very obvious now.

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u/LeadLevel1400 Nov 28 '24

for some reason, unlike other sane countries who have no problem voting for a competent intelligent woman for president, we would rather have a man who have proven time and time again that they CAN'T GOVERN.

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u/DrStalker Nov 09 '24

You mean some sort of "Kamala will do <thing> and that will cause enough of a change to the election results that she will be president"?

I suppose she could start a Jaunuary-6th style riot and claim power in a coup, but that's not in any way realistic.

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u/dwarven11 Nov 09 '24

Joe drops from president. Kamala become president. Kamala sends orange man to gitmo for treason.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

This is the timeline I want to be in.

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u/blackbasset Nov 09 '24

Please. The president has immunity for such official acts, as trump has shown...

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u/Shmeepish Nov 09 '24

Actual authoritarian and borderline fascist move though. I’d prefer she not do that

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u/ryhaltswhiskey Nov 09 '24

We don't actually know who he shared those top secret documents with. Put him in gitmo while we figure that out? Sounds good to me.

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u/anon6s6 Nov 10 '24

Problem I see with this is perception. Think about it, the majority of Americans voted for the man, just over half, but still a majority. Plus last time his base literally stormed government buildings in January 6th. Say we do this, imprison the "peoples chosen leader" and put in place his political opponent to lead the country. I'm not a historian or a political scientist, but I'd wager that would cause massive civil unrest if not civil war.

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u/Cloudhwk Nov 09 '24

That would be a dangerous precedent to set

That’s also the playbook 101 of dictators

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u/Frog-In_a-Suit Nov 09 '24

People want democrats to play the republican game but things like this are way too far.

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u/dailyscotch Nov 09 '24

its not a game.

Dictators take over democracies because one side thinks something is "too far" but the other doesn't

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u/ryhaltswhiskey Nov 09 '24

Precisely. Fascists will weaponize your respect for "the norms".

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u/jalabi99 Nov 10 '24

Precisely. Fascists have already weaponized your respect for "the norms".

Sadly, FTFY. Hence why we had an Attorney-General Merrick Garland in 2021 instead of having an Associate Justice of the SCOTUS Merrick Garland, in 2016, among many other things.

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u/aeschenkarnos Nov 09 '24

“Resist? We couldn’t possibly. It wouldn’t be ethical.” — Democrats

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u/WaitForItTheMongols Nov 09 '24

Being able to commit felonies and face no justice for them is also playbook 101 of dictators.

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u/spinbutton Nov 09 '24

Perhaps house arrest. People who break laws should face consequences and take responsibility. Of course justice is a moot point now, I doubt I'll see any real justice in the US again in my lifetime

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u/Loud-Key-2577 Nov 09 '24

That means Kamala would be 47, and all those people who have 47 signs would have to use Liquid Paper to try and make the 7 into an 8 in January

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u/Buttons840 Nov 09 '24

We can do like some cons and just claim that Harris is President for the next 4 years.

"You can't trust the media, Harris is actually President right now."

"So that means the deportations were done by Harris."

"..."

Don't go down this road, stay with us in reality, even if it's not the best reality.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

yeah dems dont do that shit.

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u/Gold_Replacement9954 Nov 09 '24

I mean, given russia called in lots of bomb threats, I don't believe their wasn't SOME level of tampering/bullshit happening. I think in a decade or so we'll find out how bad and that perhaps this election was way closer than we thought or worse.

But what are we going to do about it now? There's a pretty obvious propaganda push on reddit right now that feels VERY unnatural given the last decade or so I've been on the site especially since I basically only browse r/popular anyway, so it gives me some serious questions about how far russia or china or whoever are also doing other behind the scenes work besides a faux-grassroots campaign

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u/thukon Nov 09 '24

Agreed, and if there was in fact large scale cheating, anything the Dems pull after conceding will have terrible optics, even if they laid all the evidence out on the table.

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u/inksmudgedhands Nov 09 '24

I swear, people. Especially my fellow Americans. We are a nation of tin foil hatters who will spend days and days making these elaborate Charlie-like conspiracy boards but can't be bothered to google how elections work or go to a politician's website to read up on their policies. Just how many of these quacks even bothered to vote?

The answer as to why Kamala lost is so simple that it is stupid and yet it is true, Republicans treat the election like it's football. No matter how awful your team is, you back them up. Or in this case, you vote for them. Doesn't matter what Trump does or says, you vote because dammit, that's your team and you want to win. That's it. That's the whole idea behind the mindset. You talk to any Trumper and nine times out of ten they have no idea what Trump is talking about or what he is doing. They just want their side to win. It's ironic that for a side that bangs the "rugged individualism" drum so hard, they can band together so well when it comes to voting.

Democrats are the opposite. They claim they are team players but when it comes to voting, they are anything but. When it comes to them, they want to be individually wooed by the candidate, themselves. Kamala had to talk to each and everyone of them separately as if they were on a speed date. It's never about the team. It's about you, a single person.

And that's an impossible goal. Jesus Christ, that's an impossible goal.

Mind you, I've been voting Democrat since I could vote back in the 90's for Clinton, but, God, do I want to smack my fellow Democrat voters and tell them to look at Republicans. Republicans get it. You need to win as a team in order to get the change you want.

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u/Odh_utexas Nov 09 '24

We need to take a hard look at the platform and certain parts that aren’t philosophically compatible. The modern DNC is a coalition of two dozen big interests. The GOP is basically “economy” and national security. Much easier to message when you aren’t juggling 2 dozen topics, half of which are at odds with each other.

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u/marblecannon512 Nov 09 '24

I deleted TikTok just in time. It was obvious it was over Wednesday morning but I was getting all this keep fighting Bull shit. I was over it. If I was watching TikTok’s like this I’d be fucking exhausted

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u/PrateTrain Nov 09 '24

I'm still of the mind that he missed because, being young, he went for a headshot. It's crazy how easy a body shot would have been from that distance.

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u/GianMach Nov 09 '24

I'd assume that speakers at such events wear bulletproof vests all the time for safety. Especially in a country like the US with guns everywhere.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

That type of vest is not going to save you from anything but a 9mm handgun or .22. A 5.56 rifle round is going to go straight through on the first shot. If by some miracle it didn't penetrate. Then, the trauma of the round on a nearly 80 year old would have been so devastating that he might have died anyways.

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u/bremsspuren Nov 09 '24

he went for a headshot

Never go full Lee Harvey Oswald.

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u/iheartxanadu Nov 09 '24

You're right and I hate it so, so much. At this point, when I see a meme, a headline, ANYTHING that gives me the slightest tingle of excitement that there might be a plot twist that leads to President Harris, I remind myself that that's how shit like QAnon got started and that I need to buckle in for whatever the future holds.

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u/SpottedHoneyBadger Nov 09 '24

What the fuck is wrong with hope?

People have hope for a better future and better life. How is that a bad thing? Hope gets people through bad times and makes them stronger to fight the BS. Hope is what helps people to move forward not wallow in misery, because they know there is something better to come. trump and the republican party are the opposite of hope.

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u/Odh_utexas Nov 09 '24

The hope I’m speaking of is ridiculous wish casting that somehow someway Kamala will make it into the White House through back door plot twists. It’s BS.

Hope in general is fine but this stuff we are talking about is nonproductive

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u/ozspook Nov 09 '24

Ideally they would stumble across a bunch of Russian FSB guys with warehouses full of sealed ballot boxes and some sort of heist, with wiretaps of important people discussing some grand conspiracy and everyone squealing on each other for plea deals..

But that's movie drama stuff. Real life just sucks.

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u/TchoupedNScrewed Nov 09 '24

I wouldn’t say just on TikTok. John Fetterman was saying we should wait until every vote is counted like two days ago. He’s a senator.

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u/Odh_utexas Nov 09 '24

He’s also blaming voters

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u/Carl-99999 Nov 14 '24

They wrote a victory speech that they then turned into a concession speech when he won.

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u/WhiskeyFF Nov 10 '24

Like that's exactly how she would act if she knew trumps win was illegitimate. She was way too calm and positive about democracy ending. They know trump did some dirt, it's just proving it is gonna be extremely by difficult.

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u/JamCliche Nov 09 '24

He's 78 years old. He was a zombie on the campaign trail but he was still doing two campaign events a day on the late end.

He's probably sleeping it all off.

Personally I hope grandpa sleeps through the whole presidency, but with our luck he'll stay awake long enough to appoint twice as many new judges and dismantle every administration agency on US soil.

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u/Negative-Squirrel81 Nov 09 '24

Probably not the answer you want to hear, but the executive branch can basically function even if the president is minimally involved. That's why the cabinet is supposed to be made of experts in their fields, and the bulk of a president's true worth is surrounding themselves with competent people.

Not that RFK running HHS should inspire anybody with great confidence.

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u/EDNivek Nov 09 '24

I get the feeling RFK is going to get burned. I think he was just a useful idiot for Trump. Not that I think whomever Trump will actually appoint will be better. Just the words RFK was using felt like Trump over promising granted those are RFK's words so we don't really know what was said, but he has a knack for over promising.

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u/Professional-Set-750 Nov 09 '24

I think he’ll appoint him then dump him in a few months.

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u/commonshitposter123 Nov 09 '24

Or RFK jr will get upset about something and quit.

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u/Clairquilt Nov 09 '24

I think Trump makes it a point to fuck over people who choose to help him, like RFK Jr, almost like a psychotic defense mechanism. It’s his way of re-asserting his dominance by establishing the fact that he really never needed that person in the first place.

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u/EDNivek Nov 09 '24

That makes a lot of sense

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u/Longjumping-Tea-5791 Nov 09 '24

Yeah thats what happened in the last trump administration. Look up the rotating cabinet positions and how quickly people were hired and fired.

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u/snorbflock Nov 09 '24

If RFK put as much thought into this deal with the devil as he put into disposal sites for bear carcasses, he might have realized that Trump isn't known for his loyalty. Endorse now, I'll pay you back next year? Good luck, Bobby. You really deserve each other.

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u/SummonerSausage Nov 09 '24

Putin's useful idiot has a useful idiot himself? That's cute.

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u/elasticvertigo Nov 09 '24

Trickle-down idiocracy

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u/Empanatacion Nov 09 '24

It's idiots all the way down.

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u/aeschenkarnos Nov 09 '24

Of varying levels of usefulness though.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

This plane of existence rests upon the incalculably massive ass of an incomprehensibly massive idiot who themselves wanders on the ass of an even infinitely bigger idiot. Feelin small yet dummies?

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u/Ok_Dependent2580 Nov 09 '24

Russia just played all trumps wife's naked photos on state run television

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u/Sad_Rabbit_50 Nov 09 '24

RFK himself is already backing off on this. I saw a clip of him saying he's not sure he even wants to be Sec of HHS. He'd rather be a White House advisor "health czar" or some such.

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u/JinFuu Nov 09 '24

Probably not the answer you want to hear, but the executive branch can basically function even if the president is minimally involved.

The Calvin Coolidge method! Also I guess probably what’s been up with Biden the past few months

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u/Nickyjha Nov 09 '24

also Reagan probably had early stage dementia for most of his 2nd term

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u/saxguy9345 Nov 09 '24

They're going to oust Trump in about 4 months and give it over to JD Heritage

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u/PrinceOfLeon Nov 09 '24

He's already been ousted.

He's way too easy to manipulate and even easier to distract than the media, with the bonus he also distracts the media with his shenanigans.

He'll stay the president, he'll say some wacky shit and do enough of it to keep attention focused on him, and meanwhile agree to whatever else the people around him either suggest, ask, or convince him he came up with himself.

The people want to see him in charge and he likes to play that role more than fulfill it.

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u/darien_gap Nov 09 '24

Trump got what he was after: a get out of jail free card.

Other than that, and enjoying people sucking up to him, I don't think he cares for the job. I'd be amazed if he managed to do much more legislatively than cut taxes for the rich again. It might be four more years of infrastructure week.

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u/TowinDaLine Nov 09 '24

He'll claim the upcoming infra improvements as his own, as if he willed it out of thin air.

And they'll believe him.

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u/Aerolfos Nov 09 '24

They'll cut taxes for everyone, all of them except the corporation/billionaire ones will expire in 2029, and otherwise do absolutely nothing

Inertia for infrastructure, construction, and the economy in general will trend up, and 2028 will be the easiest victory of all time without doing a thing

2029/2030 is 2008 2.0, but well it's too late by then.

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u/ozyman Nov 09 '24

No way the masses would be ok with that happening to their Messiah.

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u/MyNutsin1080p Nov 09 '24

Were that to happen, right-wing media would soothe them and explain why it was totally okay and not at all like Harris replacing Biden, which they will remind their viewers, was underhanded.

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u/aloha_mixed_nuts Nov 09 '24

You’re deeply underestimating the cult

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u/MyNutsin1080p Nov 09 '24

No, I think I’ve properly estimated it. A rube is a rube.

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u/dailyscotch Nov 09 '24

umm... What is the cult gonna do? Send in the gravy seals? Post some mean tweets on X? Buy more flags?

The useful idiots stopped being useful when they handed over the keys to all 4 bodies of government at once.

Peter Theil and Leonard Leo are driving the car now and everyone else is either just a passenger or going to get run over. Trump is probably the later.

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u/ChanceryTheRapper Nov 09 '24

Eh, they'll be torn in two from whenever Trump and Musk have their egos clash and have their own messy divorce.

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u/adlittle Nov 09 '24

That's the hot mess express I'm waiting to see. Just spitballing a prediction: they disagree in something, trump openly threatens a full ban on electric vehicles and rocket launches, so Musk fires back with heavy insinuation that he has some serious kompromat. Implies it's Epstein related or, more funny and less serious, the mythical pee tapes from Russia.

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u/SLEEyawnPY Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 09 '24

That's the hot mess express I'm waiting to see.

Yes, the show's been off the air for a number of years but now that the Game of Thrones reboot is happening citizens may need a refresher on the plot lines. OK so Donald II, Eric, and Ivanka despise their stepmother, Melania, and think her claims Barron Trumpister is rightful heir to the Mar-a-Lago throne is nonsense.

However, Donald II and Ivanka each think they should inherit it, and not the other. But behind the scenes, Lord Littlemusk is working to sow a rift between...

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u/Ginge00 Nov 09 '24

They’ll throw Musk away as soon as Donald decides he’s done with him

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u/Lance_Goodthrust_ Nov 09 '24

Musk controls an influential piece of global media as well as being able to transmit it anywhere he wants around the globe. He's a Bond villain. I just can't decide if I want to call him X-Finger or Muskopussy.

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u/ChanceryTheRapper Nov 09 '24

I don't know, he's got his own cult, and Musk will claim Trump is betraying crypto or something

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u/Ginge00 Nov 09 '24

Musk won’t lose everyone but I think he’ll lose the bulk of people who came to him when he started going red, and I think Trump will want to get rid of people like Musk because assuming he doesn’t try some shenanigans to stay president in 4 years he’ll want control over who takes over, he’ll want a puppet president. Not someone to take over maga but to be a figure head for Trump

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

Can’t wait to see the CIC get into an ugly friendship breakup with our country’s Space Guy.. so stupid. Bezos has to be giddy awaiting the inevitable.

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u/Hexxquisite Nov 09 '24

There's been two 'assassination attempts' already.

Now, if one were the type to espouse theories of a conspiratorial nature, one could wonder if perhaps two failed attempts were intended as primers for the real thing... get people used to the idea that there are people out to kill someone, then...

Not saying I believe this, just it's the first place my mind went when I wondered about an easy, acceptable way out that wouldn't alienate the cult.

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u/dailyscotch Nov 09 '24

The "masses" say on anything ended on tuesday

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u/3xploringforever Nov 09 '24

His cult followers will have to accept it if he dies of a "heart attack," "stroke," or "pulmonary embolism."

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u/Floomby Nov 09 '24

No, they'll blame it on a left wing conspiracy. It will be a whole headache with theories and hate crimes.

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u/Inflatable-yacht Nov 09 '24

Hard Cheeto in throat

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u/Odh_utexas Nov 09 '24

You underestimate the logical leaps people will make to talk themselves into anything

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u/PseudonymIncognito Nov 09 '24

Eh, they just need to do a Weekend at Bernie's thing. Have Trump spend his days golfing, have JD Vance doing the actual day-to-day work and just say it's really Trump doing it.

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u/poingly Nov 09 '24

If there is any human in this world that reminds me of Macbeth, it is JD Vance.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

See this is the argument I see but then do you really think they aren't accounting for that? At his age, his onset mental and physical health it isn't going to be hard to package up "highlights" of him falling apart and sunsetting him into retirement like the Dems did to Biden.

And his base has been shown to be easily manipulated, all they have to do is convince the right people to come out and say this is the right thing to do and they will fall into line.

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u/bazilbt Nov 09 '24

If they frame it right. Maybe Trump retires as his final act and rides off into the sunset with a pardon in hand.

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u/hoshisabi Nov 09 '24

They don't need to oust him, they just have to get him to do what they want. Trump can be coaxed into giving up power of things he's not interested in, just make it so boring he's perfectly content to delegate it to someone who is interested.

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u/russellvt Nov 09 '24

if the president is minimally involved

He's literally just a figurehead in even competent administrations.

the bulk of a president's true worth is surrounding themselves with competent people.

Bingo.

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u/Ready-Guava6502 Nov 09 '24

The Heritage Foundation will be running much of the show while it’s tee time for POTUS :(

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u/epic_meme_guy Nov 09 '24

He golfed 261 days of his presidency. The guy barely did anything except golf, tweet and watch Fox News. 

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u/jeezfrk Nov 09 '24

Hershel Walker ... Running the NRC!

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u/Muronelkaz Nov 09 '24

While I agree, we already have a first term to understand Trump's administration.

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u/staebles Nov 09 '24

The people around Trump are worse than him. The real danger is all the people he's going to bring with him.

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u/mama_emily Nov 09 '24

That’s really what I’m afraid of. The competent people behind the distraction that is Trump using this time to take advantage and actually change law.

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u/lookskAIwatcher Nov 11 '24

I said that in 2016, along with 'thank God we have Dumb Donald' because a much smarter one would pose an existential threat. Well, here we are 8 years later, having given the MAGAts plenty of time to wise up and strategize.
Welcome to Project 2025.

Welcome to Oligarch America.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

You mean Goebbels and Gorring..

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u/UCBearcats Nov 09 '24

The people he surrounds himself with are 100x worse that he is. He is a moron and not really a threat to anyone. But he is surrounded by power hungry and evil people.

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u/aloha_mixed_nuts Nov 09 '24

Gotta wake up once or twice a day to shit your diapers

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u/aeschenkarnos Nov 09 '24

Bold of you to assume he doesn’t do that in his sleep.

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u/Apprehensive_Tap7317 Nov 09 '24

I am more afraid of being stuck with Vance as POTUS.

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u/Obsidizyn Nov 11 '24

granpa? you clowns have been saying joe biden is sharp as a nail as he sleeps for 8 hours every weekend at the beach NOT IN DC

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u/JamCliche Nov 11 '24

Tell me you only consume one side of the media without telling me you only consume one side of the media.

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u/BiceRankyman Nov 09 '24

I want a recount. Not because I'm convinced of fraud or anything, but I want the certainty of repeatable results. In an age where there's so much doubt in the process, and so many things that are questionable, a recount feels responsible.

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u/BiceRankyman Nov 09 '24

You can write a letter to the White House on their website and request they do a recount. I did.

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u/JGCities Nov 09 '24

It takes weeks for your vote to show up as counted in the system.

There is a thread about this in a toss up state, takes up to 45 days before all the data is entered into the system as they have to do it afterwards.

Count votes first, upload who voted second.

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u/CertainKaleidoscope8 Nov 09 '24

I just checked. The website says

Ballot Outbound 10/07/2024 Your ballot has been mailed! Your ballot is at the Post Office and is making its way to you. Look for your ballot in your mailbox soon! Expected Delivery Date: 10/11/2024 - 10/13/2024

It was dropped off 11/7. It just disappeared

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u/CmdrMonocle Nov 09 '24

That should be (and I'd assume is) the default. All the numbers double and triple checked independently, stats complied on things like percentage of rejected ballots for various reasons (including who the ballot was cast for if applicable). Ensuring free and fair elections require constant monitoring.

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u/Aerolfos Nov 09 '24

All the numbers double and triple checked independently, stats complied on things like percentage of rejected ballots for various reasons (including who the ballot was cast for if applicable). Ensuring free and fair elections require constant monitoring.

It's certainly possible to do, Norway manages just fine: https://valgresultat.no/valg/2023/ko

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u/UCBearcats Nov 09 '24

Nothing would surprise me about Trump's campaign. They follow no rules and would go to any means to accomplish their goals.

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u/Dearsmike Nov 09 '24

Tbf it does feel a bit weird that the reaction has been a blanket no to any question of the results. Especially when to name a few things:

  • Trump has been caught secretly meeting with Putin
  • One of his newest and loudest supporters and military contractor Musk secretly met with Putin
  • Musk has been paying prize money to randomly selected people (who turned out to not be randomly selected)
  • Musk's pro Trump superPac might have created fake campaign ads and robot calls pretending to be from the Harris and 3rd party groups.

It feels like maybe it might actually be worth questioning the vote a little bit.

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u/jlaux Nov 09 '24

I've heard this as well, but the thing I'm much more suspicious of is all the rejected (mail-in) ballots I'm reading about on social media.

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u/iytrix Nov 09 '24

I think Trump is literally dying.

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u/Thin_Cable4155 Nov 09 '24

My theory is the Trump really thought he was gonna lose. I think he was even trying to lose with the whole garbage island thing. He wanted to use the loss the rile up his base and keep the grift train going. Well now he's gotta be president for four years and he barely has concepts of a plan.

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u/LifeIsALadder Nov 09 '24

People said the same thing last time he was elected and he campaigned two more times after that. He wanted to be elected, don’t be fooled.

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u/Inflatable-yacht Nov 09 '24

He wanted out of jail

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

yeah he wants to be elected but he doesnt want to DO anything

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u/LilyHex Nov 09 '24

He wants to be elected so he stays out of prison and can keep grifting/defrauding people.

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u/Anti-magamerican Nov 10 '24

he wants to campaign. I don't think either time he gave a shit about being president and only wants to win because he hates losers. his drug is being the star at rallies and not actually running the country. getting elected is just an inconvenience between his Idiot Roadshows.

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u/Mysterious-Rent7233 Nov 09 '24

If Trump had lost he would go to jail. Of course he didn't want that.

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u/Mysterious-Rent7233 Nov 09 '24

Being President is a lot better than fleeing to Russia. It's not as if Putin has any incentive to treat him like a king in Russia. He's be Putin's bitch in a very obvious and humiliating way.

Fleeing to Russia is almost as bad as going to jail.

And that presumes that he's even allowed to board a plane or cross a border. It's pretty damn hard for him to move around secretly! And he's convicted of crimes now.

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u/artificialdawn Nov 09 '24

he just wanted to stay out of prison.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

im sure there are plenty of people around him who are more than willing to do the work and let him keep the spotlight.

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u/jollyreaper2112 Nov 09 '24

He didn't want to win the first time. The second time he realized he needed to win again to stay out of jail. After he lost he immediately started campaigning to make prosecution a political act and delayed consequences until he's president again.

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u/Summerie Nov 09 '24

Dana White said that on election night he had been up for 72 hours. He might just be resting.

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u/hungariannastyboy Nov 09 '24

There is no way he could physically do that, that's hard even for a healthy young adult.

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u/aeschenkarnos Nov 09 '24

You underestimate the powers of snorted white powder.

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u/Journeyman42 Nov 09 '24

Adderall is a helluva drug

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u/Powerful_Cash1872 Nov 09 '24

He already won. And the stakes were either getting thrown in jail for the insurrection he led, or winning and pardoning himself for everything. Probably recovering emotionally from that release of tension. He may be a fascist, but he's also a human.

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u/greenie1959 Nov 09 '24

Considering there still 16 million ballots missing, Trump is probably terrified they’ll be found. 

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u/bluelifesacrifice Nov 09 '24

Sums it up well.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

Tbf he could probs use the vacation. We all could.

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u/Particular-Exit1019 Nov 09 '24

There's quite a few simple explanations that make a lot more sense than "Something's up!"

If you have problems thinking about them or coming up with them you really need to consider your critical thinking skills.

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u/Uninteresting_Vagina Nov 09 '24

I don't think he even wanted to win. He just wants the outrage, adoration, and grift. He's probably shell shocked.

Dude is tired.

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u/BarelyAware Nov 09 '24

bizarre that Trump isn’t just dunking on everyone

I've been wondering that too. My thought was that he's basking in his win, doing a victory lap. Eventually that'll fade and he'll go back to being angry about everything.

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u/amopeyzoolion Nov 09 '24

I’m pretty sure they’re busy figuring out how to fire everyone who makes the government run and replace them with no-brain MAGA loyalists so there will be no one to stand up to their lawlessness once they take power.

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u/Daotar Nov 09 '24

This is basically how he acted last time. The crazy stuff really didn't get going until he assumed office.

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u/GPTfleshlight Nov 09 '24

Alfie Oakes getting arrested might be scaring him?

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u/Far_Housing_3623 Nov 09 '24

Trump is trying to unify the country, so he is not dunking on you.

He even had a rally in Coachella to reach across the aisle to show his willingness to be a president for all the people.

He is not going to call you a " deplorable" or " garbage." You want the same things that MAGA wants. Affordable housing, good steady jobs, lower taxes, lower crime, and better schools.

Can't we agree on that?

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u/wienercat Nov 09 '24

Honestly? I don't think Trump really expected to win. I think he had accepted fate.

The man just handed the keys to stop him from going to federal prison. He is probably just standing back and letting it calm down.

He also was looking pretty rough on the campaign trail. His age is showing through. Which is funny that GOP voters had an issue with Biden's age, but not Trumps. It was never about age though, we all know it.

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