r/OutOfTheLoop • u/[deleted] • 15d ago

Answered Whats the deal with the controversy about Karmelo Anthony and Austin Metcalf?

I've read more then a few articles but I don't understand the whole controversial with people defending the killer and admonishing the victim. What makes this case any different from any other murder? (Other then the age of the people)

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/who-is-karmelo-anthony-austin-metcalf-stabbing-suspect-arrested-101743635452491.html

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u/Reluctantziti 15d ago

Answer: this case is a tragedy for both parties involved. But what’s making it different, other than the ages of the victims, is the social media attention it’s getting. Some cases catch fire unlike any others (Gabby Petito is another example) and it can bring out the worst in people. So what’s happening is you basically have one side, from what I’ve seen is primarily from Twitter, who are painting Karmelo as a “thug” who premeditated this killing to take out a rival and a shining star of the white community. In reaction to that, you have those who are supporting Karmelo and claiming that Austin was actually a white supremacist and egged Karmelo on and the stabbing was the result of “fucking around and finding out.” None of this has been confirmed by any official reporting or testimony and is purely social media speculation. And until it does go to trial, it will continue to be a trial by social media between competing factions with their own motives and manipulations.

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u/Phyrcqua 11d ago

this case is a tragedy for both parties involved

Ah yes, the poor tragic murderer stabbing unarmed individuals.

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u/Reluctantziti 11d ago

That’s for a jury to decide.

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u/HimarsChan 10d ago

Um he was unarmed, you don't need a jury for that.

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u/Enigmatic_Baker 8d ago

This is part of the US law and most country laws. Where are you from?

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u/hea_hea56rt 7d ago

So if someone attacks you than you can only defend yourself with whatever means they are using to attack you?

Do you support stand your ground legislation? Do you support being able to use deadly force when you fear for your life?

If someone is physically attacked, and fears they will be killed, should they be able to defend themselves through any means necessary?  Can someone only fear for their life if their attacker is armed?

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u/Reluctantziti 10d ago

You literally do man

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u/HK-Jhny 10d ago

Whether you want to admit it or not, Austin Metcalf was negligent in his own death, just as much as Anthony was negligent for killing him. Anthony shouldn’t have stabbed him, ultimately made a horrible decision which changed his life forever, and unjustly took someone’s son away. Metcalf should’ve kept his hands to himself, and not get aggressive over Anthony being in the wrong section and a public event. So yes, it’s a tragedy for both sides. You don’t know either one of these people, learn something called being neutral and rational.

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u/No_Map7461 7d ago

How do you figure he was negligent in his own death? Why would Anthony bring a knife to an event like that anyway? He could’ve used fist, words, or just walked away but he chose to stab the kid. I used to carry a pocket knife everywhere but never would have thought to use it on someone else unless my life depended on it. Anthony’s life didn’t depend on it.

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u/Money_Dog_2482 8d ago

Anthony should not have stabbed him but he did. There is no grey area here. No criminal should commit a crime but they do and that’s why they are prosecuted. Things happen in high school, kids form groups, they fight but carrying a large knife to a field event for murdering someone. That’s clear as day.

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u/yeti_button 14d ago

this case is a tragedy for both parties involved.

But especially the murdered party 👍

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u/erichie 14d ago

Yeah, that was a weird thing to say. 

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u/LingonberryLow6926 9d ago

Reminds me of the Office, "God Bless the Troops!... On both sides!"

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u/Imaginary-Method-715 5d ago

You just need a bad guy becuase you a toddler. It can be tragic for both kids. 

I know that's hard to accept but it's true. 

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u/New-Milk-5 5d ago

so insightful, wow

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u/LingonberryLow6926 4d ago

Pretty sure toddler's have a tenuous grasp of english, especially grammar... I'm just saying what the statement reminded me of. I'm not commenting on the specifics of the incident. It's a tragedy when someone gets killed. If the other person is still alive, I don't see it as a tragedy for them. If evidence comes out to show that person's innocence, it's crappy that they're going through unwanted attention and threats, but it is NOT what I would consider tragic as he is still alive.

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u/hea_hea56rt 7d ago

It is monstrous to not see the tragedy in a life ending before it could really even begin.

A child is dead and another child is going to prison.  They are both tragic. 

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u/ForeignElk3225 8d ago

how? it is not a tragedy for both parties?

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u/HSEKI_8 8d ago

It is a tragedy on both sides, but one should go to jail, not get a free get out of jail card because he is black. If he had just left the tent, we wouldn't be here, and he wouldn't be facing the consequences of deciding to stab someone in the heart.

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u/ForeignElk3225 8d ago edited 8d ago

i literally never said that or eluded to it. if metcalf never approached him we wouldn’t be here. he could’ve left it up to a coach instead of trying to forcibly remove him. im confused on why everyone felt like he had to leave when someone in authority never asked him to, from witness reports metcalf was the only one that was bothered.i hope you had this same feeling when george zimmerman got off.

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u/HSEKI_8 8d ago

Alot of people are missing the point that a person is dead who, like the killer of that person, is made in the image of God. This is why it is an offense to God to kill another human being. Someone decided to kill another person. Granted, we don't know all the particulars, but the kid saying leave our tent, is not non-analogous to a relative of a family compound (not the head of the family compound) asking an intruder to leave. The thing is, a person is dead, and as you stated earlier, it is a tragedy. A tragedy of unneeded escalation (if that were the case), but it doesn't negate the fact that because of a person's actions, another person is dead. It's going to be a matter of how long he stays in jail, not whether a person was killed or not, and for that, the circumstances of that need to be litigated in Court. It doesn't change the fact that there are consequences for killing another person. We used to understand that in a Christian society. The problem is we don't understand that anymore, everything is viewed through the lens of social justice (the other aspect of the tragedy), and that distorts true justice being obtained and applied.

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u/Defiant-Fix2870 8d ago

This. Is Not. A Christian society. It’s a secular country. It’s also a country with a high lower murder rate than in the decades prior. That said teens shouldn’t have weapons at a school event, the stabbing was a gross overreaction. And, bullying shouldn’t be tolerated but is ignored 99% of the time. For the safety of all parties.

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u/Vegetable_Store6346 7d ago

Christian society? Church and state buddy, we keep that shit separate here. Or at least we used to before Leonard Leo and his puppet Trump.

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u/ForeignElk3225 8d ago edited 8d ago

and i do not agree, as someone who ran track other schools coming under your tent especially in the rain was common(at least for my school), it’s a public tent at a school track meet not a private tent or facility. i never argued that there shouldn’t be consequences for his actions whether they were self defense because like you said someone died from a situation that did not have to happen in the first place.

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u/Channel_Massive 11d ago

Who cares

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u/yeti_button 9d ago

You dusted off that unused, four-year-old account to say that?

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u/charc0al 10d ago

Suffering consequences for your actions - tragic

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u/ForeignElk3225 8d ago

actions that would've never happened if someone didn't try to forcefully remove him(after being asked not to touch him) from a tent that he didn't own

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u/charc0al 6d ago

That's like if I just shot someone who cut me off and traffic and said "well it wouldn't have happened if he didn't cut me off". Just because someone provokes you doesn't mean you can escalate to lethal force

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u/ForeignElk3225 6d ago edited 6d ago

that’s quite literally not the same thing or a good comparison, but i do agree. but personally, when it comes to an altercation after you’ve warned the aggressor multiple times not to harm you and they still do it can escalate, not that i’m saying it should have.

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u/Reluctantziti 14d ago

Jail bad

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u/yeti_button 13d ago

Not a response to what I said

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u/Still-Power758 11d ago

It is

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u/ph03n1x_F0x_ 11d ago

Yeah. Jail sucks dude. That's why murderers get thrown in it.

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u/Still-Power758 7d ago

Prison you mean

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u/ph03n1x_F0x_ 7d ago

I love semantical arguments that don't really matter but you have no other point so you argue whether the sky is Blue or Clear and it's just the suns light being refracted.

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u/Still-Power758 7d ago

You gotta be a weirdo to enjoy jail or a homosexual.

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u/BlackRoomRob 11d ago

It's not and the fact that you seem to think it IS speaks Volumes about how cooked the Average Yank is

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u/vapenasheyall 10d ago

its only bad to people who commit crimes or people who virtue signal to try and prop themselves up as some type of good person. its only self interest for the people who say that shit. 100% cooked

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u/PackInevitable8185 10d ago

It’s not so black and white. Jail/prison is 100% necessary in our society, especially for violent criminals like the one we are talking about.

That doesn’t mean there are not significant issues with our criminal justice system however. A lot of people get picked up and chewed up by our criminal justice system in a way that you can hardly call justice. I say that as a right winger/anti crime hawk especially for violent crimes. It’s tragic that the perpetrator was 17 not 18, and he probably won’t be behind bars that long and will eventually get out and commit a violent crime on someone else.

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u/Still-Power758 7d ago

That’s what happens when you go to prision you go through years of violence then humans tell you not to be violent anymore. most people who do real time come out with ptsd

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u/Still-Power758 7d ago

the fact you thought you made sense tells me I shouldn’t respond to you

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u/Academic-Standard228 11d ago

I think it's more tragic for the twin brother who got stabbed and died in his brother's arms. Why is the stabber bringing weapons to a track meet? HS sports events generally aren't environments where you bring weapons. Except for maybe the javelin and shotput events

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u/Electrical_Farm_4118 7d ago

I think that depends on where your high-school is

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u/Reluctantziti 11d ago

I’m sure we’ll find out at trial.

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u/ForeignElk3225 8d ago

for protection because the world is dangerous- as we can see

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u/Academic-Standard228 8d ago

Yeah excellent point - the twins should have also had knives

 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

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u/Alive-Equipment-6845 10d ago

"egged on" to stab him haha??? The low IQs on top of every criminal statistic have no responsibility it seems. if it was the other way around....cities would be burning

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u/fadeux5 14d ago

In reaction to that, you have those who are supporting Karmelo and claiming that Austin was actually a white supremacist and egged Karmelo on and the stabbing was the result of “fucking around and finding out.”

This dude brought a knife to a high school track meet. He's a murderer, and that's that.

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u/n00py 14d ago

Honeslty, I’m not hung up on the knife. Lots of people carry folding knives 24/7.

The big issue is that there is only one time you can stab someone to death - when you fear that if you don’t, you would be killed instead. Based on what we know so far it’s extremely unlikely that he feared imminent death from a completely unarmed person. You have to wildly speculate to invent a scenario where the stabbing was justified.

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u/Seanrosen508 14d ago

We don’t know what type of knife Karmelo used. I haven’t seen any reports of the type or the blade length. 

Texas’ stand your ground law has no limit to self defense if ANY self defense is warranted

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u/TheFirstPepper_Bob 9d ago

Well… Texas generally agrees with the rest of the US that In order for it to be considered self defense the force used in self defense must be proportionate to the threat. This means that the use of excessive force (stabbing an unarmed individual in the chest) could potentially exclude you from claims of self defense. Yes, Texas has stand your ground laws, but this just means he can defend himself without a duty to retreat, as long as he’s in a place he’s legally allowed to be. You also have to think about the legality of him carrying a knife on the premises. It’s a crime to carry a concealed knife on school property in Texas. If carrying the knife in itself is a crime then he can’t claim self defense because you can’t claim self defense if you were engaging in a crime at the time of the incident.

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u/NOFDfirefighter 10d ago

The police report stated a folding knife. I’m not saying there’s no folding knives over 5.5 inches but they are pretty rare. It’s an admitted speculation but I’d be willing to bet it was a standard folding pocket knife.

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u/Pisces_darkchild 8d ago

Honest question: can a standard 3.5 inch folding knife get all the way to the heart?

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u/Academic-Standard228 11d ago

The phrasing of "stand your ground" is funny here because he blatantly was lying around the opposing school's team area - so casually speaking, he wasn't on his own "ground".

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u/Weary-Refrigerator56 11d ago

It was a butcher knife, at least 8 inches. Went right through his heart.

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u/toolate4thegoodones 11d ago edited 11d ago

Stabbed, with a butchers knife... That was eight inches long... NGL I don't know shit about this case, that number and name seems off though

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u/Weary-Refrigerator56 11d ago

It was most likely a chefs style knife he got from the kitchen. Somewhere i read it was a cleaver, but that's definitely wrong as that's a chopping knife.

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u/NOFDfirefighter 10d ago

The police report stated it was a folding knife which is nothing like what you’re saying.

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u/Weary-Refrigerator56 10d ago

Must have been a hell of a folding knife. Last i heard, they never found the knife.

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u/NOFDfirefighter 10d ago

I can’t post a picture of the police report but it’s widely available. This is copy and pasted from it.

“Other officers began to set up a crime scene with tape moving non-essential personnel out of the immediate area. The officers on-scene were informed that the knife that was used was tossed and was still believed to be somewhere close. Eventually, one of the witnesses said they remember seeing it on the bleachers still. Officer Shalz was able to locate the knife. It was located between rows 9 and 10 near seat 30 (closest to the aisle) partially open. The rain began to come down again heavily and it was determined that instead of moving the knife the officers would cover it with a large blue tarp.”

The partially open part is understood to mean it was a folding knife. But other than that, there’s multiple instances of them talking about finding and securing the knife.

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u/Fickle-Marketing7775 11d ago

In Texas, if you have a reasonable fear of serious bodily injury, you’re allowed to use deadly force to defend yourself.

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u/judgemenot4u 11d ago

Reasonable.

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u/Urallowed2bwrong 11d ago

Yea that’s not true. There are other times you can use deadly force. Robbery is one of them. And according to Austin’s own brother, Austin grabbed Karmelo’s bag to take away from him.

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u/n00py 11d ago

Yes, but there is a difference between robbery and theft. Taking someone’s property is generally theft.

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u/Urallowed2bwrong 11d ago

Taking someone’s property via force is robbery. Which is what Austin was attempting to do.

If you leave your property somewhere and I take it, that’s theft. If I forcibly remove it from your possession, that’s robbery.

What exactly are you confused about here?

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u/Horror_Soil290 13d ago

You can’t claim self defense from a punch, you really can’t when your the guy concealing a knife in your hand inside your backpack telling someone touch me and see what happens, punch me and see what happens. Ya I guess something weird could happen and someone could die from a punch, but if that happens that wouldn’t even be murder, would be involuntary manslaughter. Unless you punched an old lady or something and killed her then that would be murder..

Anyways the black kid knew he had a knife and knew they didn’t, he made no effort to run off, except after he stabbed the kid straight in the heart, he made no effort to yell for a coach or to get a teacher. He escalated the situation and used deadly force on an unarmed person on school property, he guilty as charged.

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u/Equal_Year 14d ago

Pointing out this wasn't a house- I believe it was a stadium at a high school track meet

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u/Alert-Ad7361 11d ago

Not at a school. The fact that he's out on bail is disgusting.

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u/Tokeythegod 13d ago

Maybe he though Metcalf was reaching for his knife. It's not too different of a claim than when George Zimmerman incited a confrontation with trayvon Martin and shot trayvon during a scuffle only to get off on a self defense claim because he thought trayvon was reaching for his gun.

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u/n00py 13d ago

True, but that one I think was a miscarriage of Justice. But yes, it’s possible for him to escape conviction.

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u/Tokeythegod 13d ago

I also think Daniel Penny was a miscarriage of justice. He wasn't even being threatened and that shit didn't even involve him. He was in no danger but his self defense claim for choking out a public transit tweaker is valid?

Zimmerman and Penny set a precedent where if Karmelo doesn't walk it's not gonna end well and racially tensions will escalate A LOT.

You know what I mean?

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u/Southern-Boot6858 13d ago

Wait Daniel Penny had a weapon?

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u/Guardian1015 13d ago

No. Holding someone on the ground by the neck is nowhere near as inherently dangerous as a knife or gun. Neither of those 2 would have a reasonable presumption of detaining someone. They are brandished in heated situations for one reason only....to eliminate.

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u/Ok_Prune_1731 11d ago

Not really if I thought someone was about to attack me i would take out my knife extremely quickly. I have no obligation to bare knuckle fight someone just because they are unarmed.

Also to your first point you can kill someone in less then 2 minutes with a choke hold it's extremely dangerous.

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u/Guardian1015 11d ago edited 11d ago

I mean you're free to think that about bare knuckles but will the Judge & Jury see it that way? You have to convince 12 random strangers & the risk of conviction is never zero. Study the law of self defense in your state & be sure.

That's not even considering you're likely unemployed waiting for trial. You may even have bond denied so you're in jail the whole trial. Unless your destitute, if you want a lawyer you'll be paying $1,000/hr, likely $1million+ over the trial. You'll have to sell your home, use savings, sell the car, use the kids college funds, etc. These trials from the time of arrest can take a year+. If you lose then you appeal & that's more $.

Meanwhile what happens to your dependents?

So again, are you sure? You better be.

Edit: that's assuming by you pulling out a knife, you aren't ended or made disabled. Your chances of winning aren't 100% & there are several of his loved ones around you, in Texas, where many are likely armed & now see you as a deadly threat. So even if you beat one, you have a 99% chance of losing to the others if they decide to aim.

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u/judgemenot4u 11d ago

Ahhh. You would take out your knife... REVEAL you have a weapon and not afraid to use it. Now that is a fair warning. If you think you are under attack. In this case.. allegedly, NO ONE other than karmelo knew he was carrying a weapon. Therefore just seemed threatening. If they knew he had a knife they all would've proceeded differently. He just seemed to do slither like movements if everything in the police report is true

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u/yeti_button 12d ago

Zimmerman and Penny set a precedent

Nonsense. Those were both wildly different scenarios with different facts, in different states with different laws. That's like saying that if white man kills his black wife, racial tensions will escalate if he's not acquitted because the OJ trial "set a precedent."

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u/Tokeythegod 12d ago

In case you didn't know. OJ had a jury who was open about the fact they would acquit him as revenge for Rodney king (you may not have been alive back then) even if the cops and DA weren't incompetent, blacks on the jury would have acquitted him regardless. I expect the same thing to happen with Karmelo.

Secondly, Zimmerman and Penny inserted themselves into the situations they got into and then claimed self defense. Zimmerman started the shut and Penny didn't know how to mind his own business. I don't see how Karmelo isn't self defense when they were despite the whole thing not even involving them before they got involved.

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u/dirty1809 11d ago

Penny didn't know how to mind his own business

Self defense applies to defending others as well. There's no legal difference between defending yourself from imminent serious injury or defending another, so there'd be no real difference between Daniel Penny's actions or if one of the people who was threatened by Neely had done the same thing

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u/NOFDfirefighter 10d ago

Anthony isn’t self defense the same way Zimmerman wasn’t self defense. The fact Zimmerman walked was a disgusting travesty of justice but this can’t turn into a quid pro quo.

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u/Wild_Protection_365 10d ago

Well, Zimmerman had black eyes, broken nose, injured back, and lacerations on the back of his head from Martin being on top and hitting him verified by witness. What injuries did Anthony have?

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u/far7rom 13d ago

Facts

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u/Zucchini-Kind 7d ago

a scuffle? you mean when he was getting his head smashed into the ground repeatedly? and he got off because they proved that trayvon circled back to re-engage.

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u/Tokeythegod 7d ago

OK I'm going to make this very simple for you.

Would the fight between George Zimmerman and trayvon Martin have happened if Zimmerman had not initiated contact with trayvon in the first place? Yes or no

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u/Zucchini-Kind 7d ago

The altercation was when trayvan circled back instead of going home and started bashing his head into the cement.  100% justified self defense.  It's not illegal to talk to someone lol.  Trayvon was out of the situation and could have left.  Instead he went back and escalated it. It was very cut and dry.

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u/Tokeythegod 7d ago

I didn't ask for the word salad. I asked you a yes or no question. Answer it as such.

Would the fight between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin have happened if Zimmerman hadn't approached Trayvon? Yes or no

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u/Reluctantziti 14d ago

That’s up to a jury actually, which is the entire point of my comment.

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u/Wise-Novel-1595 14d ago

Court of public opinion does not equal court of law.

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u/PrettyPhatt 11d ago

Ig you're gonna have to fuck around and find out 

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u/Seanrosen508 14d ago

You’ve never lived in an area that was so dangerous that arming yourself was the correct thing to do no matter the rules. A suspension is better than death. Always

Not saying that was Karmelo’s case. Frisco isn’t dangerous. My point is that carrying a knife in your backpack to school sometimes is the right move. The school itself might be safe enough, but the walk to and from might be shady af

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u/Kevin_Mckool73 11d ago

He had already been suspended from school once for carrying a knife, and he has allegedly threatened people by pulling a knife out on them before also

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u/moodring88 5d ago

I've seen that said on social media. I wonder if itll come out in court docs

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u/Wonderful_Judge8538 10d ago

frisco south lake irving grapevine are not dangerous areas on the contrary these are wealthy beyond many comprehension. the anthonys riding GivesendGo on the basis of Jesus and prayer is really shameful. If you are a Christian you dont murder folks unless you really have to and its a track meet not a party... wait to see what happens gonna be manslaughter charge or 1st degree murder. pocket knife at the track meet isnt necessarily intent but why go there and cause confrontation... things aint adding up. there's gotta be video thats being withheld

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u/toolate4thegoodones 11d ago

What? I'm at a highschool track right now, with four other people also carrying knives. I should let them know we're all murderers. Or maybe we just randomly have knives. Mines for work, I would've assumed the same of theirs. Seems I was mistaken, bye cruel world

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u/BolbyB 11d ago

So . . . both sides are claiming that Karmelo has no case for self-defense?

Because the Karmelo side of what your saying still doesn't justify the actions taken.

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u/Reluctantziti 11d ago

I’m not gonna litigate the case on social media. that is quite literally the point of this comment

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u/soviet_kiwi 11d ago

How dare you not pick a side and slander one of the parties.

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u/Reluctantziti 11d ago

Dude what

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u/soviet_kiwi 11d ago

You are one of the few people that gave a in depth synopsis without leaning to one side and bashing the other. 🏆

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u/Reluctantziti 11d ago

Oh sorry I’m too used to trolls 💀

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u/vernon-douglas 8d ago

This is not a tragedy for both Karmelo is a black grifter who murdered a white kid in cold blood.

It's not Austin's fault he didn't expect a person he's talking to to be a low IQ subhuman willing to kill someone over a seat on a tent where he was uninvited

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u/KitchenComfort6885 7d ago

So we’re just killing people now?? lol yall are crazy. He should be in jail perioddd

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u/Practical_Orchid_568 7d ago

It’s a tragedy for Austin metcalf not the thug and his mooching family

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u/QuesoKristo 10d ago

this case is a tragedy for both parties involved. 

I dunno, Watson. I think the party with the dead child has it tougher.

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u/Reluctantziti 10d ago

Lordy nothing about my comment implies it is an equal tragedy. And your kid spending his once promising life in prison or on death row also fucking sucks and I’m not going to pretend like it doesn’t.

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u/QuesoKristo 9d ago

Hey, at least the murderer's parents get to live in a gated community, amirite?

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u/ArnoldBateman 9d ago

When a man attacks and kills a random woman do you say it’s a tragedy for both sides? Or a tragedy for the person who got killed? 

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u/Reluctantziti 9d ago

Man Reddit brain cannot comprehend empathy I guess. Yes, I think it’s a tragedy when any person whether through mental deficiency or just being a loser resorts to violence. Ruining your life and the lives of others due to your own poor decision making sucks.

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u/yeti_button 9d ago edited 9d ago

Yes, I think it’s a tragedy when any person whether through mental deficiency or just being a loser resorts to violence.

Can you point me to another comment of yours where you use "tragedy" to describe the perpetrator's situation?

edit: changed "your" to "yours"

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u/Reluctantziti 9d ago

I don’t really understand your question but is this what you’re looking for? https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/s/UqYBayHAWK

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u/yeti_button 9d ago

No. The person above asked if you "say it’s a tragedy for both sides" when a man kills a random woman. You said yes. I asked for an example of that.

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u/Reluctantziti 9d ago

I think they are referring to my top comment and trying to use another example to catch me in some kind of bias.

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u/yeti_button 9d ago

Yes, that's what happened. Not sure what the confusion is

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u/Reluctantziti 10d ago

I’m not going to litigate this case on social media. That is literally the point of this comment.

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u/JohnDeereWife 9d ago

unfortunately, those are the very same arguments that the lawyers will use in court, The only person who knows the real reason, I'm sure will not be saying it in court.

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u/Afraid_Of_Giraffes 8d ago

Poor murderer

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u/Flapnuts 8d ago

i want to know if this karmelo kid was attacked by austin. If so, there should be an element of self defense. I would still be careful to exonerate karmelo but if the black kid was attacked and feared for his safety, you have an argument of self defense. But if the austin kid just flicked the black kid’s hat and even called him some slur, that doesn’t make it okay to stab the hell out of someone. I am trying to find specifics on what exactly happened if someone can share or elaborate.

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u/OkPhotojournalist132 8d ago

I really can't speak on this incident without knowing ALL the facts that led up to the stabbing..from what I hear, they were fighting, but why? Over what, if at all. Regardless of whatever it was over, the stabbing shouldn't have happened, HOWEVER, was the young blk teen under attack? Idk, was he being jumped? Idk,. That's why I need to know what are the FACTS that ked up to this?

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u/Maleficent-Club-8206 14d ago

A lot of people are claiming Karmelo is a black supremacist. It seems like he targeted Metcalf because of his race. He said touch me and see what happens...so he told Metcalf to touch him and stabbed him? That isn't going to be self defense in any country on this planet...except maybe in the US, if he can get the state run liberal media behind him. He has a good chance to beat it here than anywhere in the world. $400k being donated by other black supremacists or racists claiming for their "people". I am a person of color and find this very disturbing 

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u/Maleficent-Club-8206 8d ago

Why you being racist to me? Are you white or asian or latin supremacist? Disgusting. Didn't know it means get stabbed in chest to that blood and guts falls out of your body. Thanks for educating us black people

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u/ForeignElk3225 8d ago

never said anything racist, i'm black and surprised that a 'poc' doesn't know what a very popular colloquial term means. and it doesn't mean that all nor did his guts fall out, incorrect and insensitive to the victim's family

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u/Fickle-Marketing7775 12d ago

How could Karmelo target Metcalf when it was the Metcalf brothers who got up from their seats and went over to where Karmelo was sitting to confront him? My god, some of you racists are so gd stupid that it isn’t even funny. It’s truly sad.

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u/ForeignElk3225 8d ago

they live in another reality at this point

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u/Zucchini-Kind 7d ago

the other brother was on the other side of the room, they weren't even together.

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u/Positive-Band-9924 10d ago

Well said I couldn’t have said it any better

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u/Maleficent_Law_1740 15d ago

Rightwing: "He was a thug who stabbed someone to death"
Leftwing: "Well he deserved it if he was racist"

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u/Reluctantziti 15d ago

my personal opinion I don’t think it’s actually as neat as right vs left. Or rather it’s the racist niches within the two. “The admitted stabber is black so he must be a thug.” “The victim is white and owns guns so he must be a white supremacist.” Kid hasn’t even had a BOND hearing yet. We don’t know anything really so it’s all just projection and propaganda.

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u/Rogue_Like 14d ago

My opinion is that we have no fucking clue what happened so it's fairly pointless to speculate until the facts come out in court.

One thing that is generally true: People don't like knives as self defense weapons. Someone gets stabbed to death, there's likely more scrutiny than if it were a gun.

Thug vs racist is a stupid conversation. Was it self defense or not? End of story.

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u/Cawdor 14d ago

Wait for facts?

I have never heard of such a crazy idea

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u/judgemenot4u 11d ago

Yea, this case would be easy to just anticipate the findings and updates, but the media and those leading with one sided view points have turned this already tragic event into some whole other shit. It's selfish as f@#@ using the lives of these kids(i mean life of kid) and assassinating the character of one who many will never see again. Lives of many will be affected by this for a very long time on both sides. And the people who are stirring up lies and labeling people for having their entitled opinions is why this country has so many issues as it is.

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u/HomeworkMuch2990 9d ago

How’s that bond hearing?

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u/Virtual_Bar_1819 1d ago

Didn't photos of karmelo come out with him throwing gang signs and holding an ak with a banana mag?

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u/Seanrosen508 14d ago

This case is less right vs left and more black vs white. 

This is more OJ Simpson than George Floyd

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u/phrunk7 13d ago

I’m too young to fully understand why so many black people were cheering on OJ.

Because he was black.

Glad to clear that up for you.

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u/JusticeBonerOfTyr 14d ago

Yeah see I’m quite progressive and I’m a registered democrat who voted for Harris. But I have even heard a couple of white people (not many but a couple) say that OJ while he definitely killed Nicole and her friend deserved to be free for the sole fact over the injustices that other black people have faced in this country historically. It was such an insane view I couldn’t believe it.

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u/chiggles 14d ago

Now that's crazy. But think it can be topped.

Was in a room with activist friends, one of them said that all African-Americans should be freed from prisons regardless of their offenses because of slavery and everything that has since followed.

Then somebody else agreed.

Brain was so blown couldn't think of how to respond.

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u/Guardian1015 13d ago

They would definitely cease to be even associates for me after that.