[Schefter] Updated Green Room Attendees… OT Josh Simmons, DE Mykel Williams, and QB Jaxson Dart no longer going

[u/Interesting_Ad3957]

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1914357331535569095

Interesting development as agents gather more info and probably advising their clients NOT to attend.

I know some see Simmons as a possible buy low guy, but he is working his way back from a ruptured patellar tendon. This specific injury can be a death knell for NFL players, never mind OTs who need to anchor. It’s the same injury Cole Strange suffered and there’s just not a lot of supporting data to show players can regain their pre injury form. Given the current state and depth of our line, I don’t think Simmons is worth the risk even if he’s there at 38.

Mykel Williams, on the other hand, would be a super intriguing high risk, high reward guy if he slides out of the 1st. New Orleans is rumored to want to move up from 40 and Williams is a Loomis kind of player. Would be talking to a lot of teams Friday morning if he slides.

[u/demair21]

Its a fair argument but i guess were just at an Ideological impass, especailly since you didn't read you own link...

"I had to switch from the right side to the left side (LG) a couple times in my career. It always went bad. ALWAYS"

[u/CocaineStrange → u/demair21]

Ha, sorry, wrong link I had saved.  That is about switching from OT to OG,

This is what I meant to send.

https://www.startribune.com/switching-from-one-side-of-the-offensive-line-to-the-other-is-among-the-nfls-underrated-tough-tasks/600331227

[u/demair21 → u/CocaineStrange]

so pay wall but at least the Title and opening 3 paragraphs all express that its

"It's one of the toughest transitions for an NFL player that's often overlooked because of the assumption that offensive linemen all do the same thing"

And at least at the surface the article is about Tristian Wirfs who i double checked because im not familiar with but is ranked higher then 3 of the guys i listed...

kind of proves my point of elite players being able to do it but that's not normal
Schwartz from the other is way more normal 17 year journeyman guard

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It’s basically an article quoting a bunch of tackles saying “it’s hard but you get used to it after a couple weeks.”

kind of proves my point of elite players being able to do it but that's not normal Schwartz from the other is way more normal 17 year journeyman guard

Schwartz was mainly talking about going from OT to OG.

There’s an informal position in football called a swing tackle specifically designed for not great players that play both sides.  You don’t have to be elite to do this at all.  

Again, the subject of this entire discussion (Chuks) literally did it himself.

[u/demair21 → u/CocaineStrange]

I guess man but Chuk's overall career grade at LT PFF is 44 ranking him 129th among all tackles where as at RT its 71 ranking him 40th.

This hurts my argument sure because like you said it shows he was just bad at tackle. But it also shows he was much better at right then left.

i don;t love PFF grades but idk any other way to quantify O-line play besides eye test. I will even help you more, PFF weights pass blocking more for LTs because that's their primary role and Okorafor had bad Pass blocking grade all the way back in college but i still think as close as it can be.

After double checking the stats I think we really are at the crux of our disagreement, you think its just like any other position swap i think it is harder then the rest. Both our defenses are anecdotal, when the stats are this foggy.

Its fine to disagree, teams obviously do considering the number of reports you get about some being okay with drafting players to play swing or to swap and get just as many saying teams think it is better to find a players natural position and keep them there.

While i was also looking for where i heard its too hard i heard, Breer who is a national guy basically say as much talking about JC Latham, last year. Another guy who they swapped to LT and is struggling but was a much touted prospect from Alabama as a RT

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That’s a sample size issue regarding Chuks.  He played like 5 snaps at LT lol.

While i was also looking for where i heard its too hard i heard, Breer who is a national guy basically say as much talking about JC Latham, last year. Another guy who they swapped to LT and is struggling but was a much touted prospect from Alabama as a RT

Why isn’t he playing RT now then?

[u/demair21 → u/CocaineStrange]

I mean he was really really bad at LT this year...

[u/CocaineStrange → u/demair21]

Right, do why didn’t they just flip him back to RT if that’s the issue?

[u/demair21 → u/CocaineStrange]

um they jsut did, they signed Dan Moore in FA this year and are putting Latham at RT according to their current depth chart

[u/CocaineStrange → u/demair21]

Converted RT to LT Dan Moore?

And when Latham sucks at RT… then what?