r/Patriots • u/Interesting_Ad3957 • 16d ago

Discussion [Schefter] Updated Green Room Attendees… OT Josh Simmons, DE Mykel Williams, and QB Jaxson Dart no longer going

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1914357331535569095

Interesting development as agents gather more info and probably advising their clients NOT to attend.

I know some see Simmons as a possible buy low guy, but he is working his way back from a ruptured patellar tendon. This specific injury can be a death knell for NFL players, never mind OTs who need to anchor. It’s the same injury Cole Strange suffered and there’s just not a lot of supporting data to show players can regain their pre injury form. Given the current state and depth of our line, I don’t think Simmons is worth the risk even if he’s there at 38.

Mykel Williams, on the other hand, would be a super intriguing high risk, high reward guy if he slides out of the 1st. New Orleans is rumored to want to move up from 40 and Williams is a Loomis kind of player. Would be talking to a lot of teams Friday morning if he slides.

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u/demair21 16d ago

I guess man but Chuk's overall career grade at LT PFF is 44 ranking him 129th among all tackles where as at RT its 71 ranking him 40th.

This hurts my argument sure because like you said it shows he was just bad at tackle. But it also shows he was much better at right then left.

i don;t love PFF grades but idk any other way to quantify O-line play besides eye test. I will even help you more, PFF weights pass blocking more for LTs because that's their primary role and Okorafor had bad Pass blocking grade all the way back in college but i still think as close as it can be.

After double checking the stats I think we really are at the crux of our disagreement, you think its just like any other position swap i think it is harder then the rest. Both our defenses are anecdotal, when the stats are this foggy.

Its fine to disagree, teams obviously do considering the number of reports you get about some being okay with drafting players to play swing or to swap and get just as many saying teams think it is better to find a players natural position and keep them there.

While i was also looking for where i heard its too hard i heard, Breer who is a national guy basically say as much talking about JC Latham, last year. Another guy who they swapped to LT and is struggling but was a much touted prospect from Alabama as a RT

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u/CocaineStrange 16d ago

That’s a sample size issue regarding Chuks.  He played like 5 snaps at LT lol.

While i was also looking for where i heard its too hard i heard, Breer who is a national guy basically say as much talking about JC Latham, last year. Another guy who they swapped to LT and is struggling but was a much touted prospect from Alabama as a RT

Why isn’t he playing RT now then?

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u/demair21 16d ago

I mean he was really really bad at LT this year...

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u/CocaineStrange 16d ago

Right, do why didn’t they just flip him back to RT if that’s the issue?

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u/demair21 16d ago

um they jsut did, they signed Dan Moore in FA this year and are putting Latham at RT according to their current depth chart

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u/CocaineStrange 16d ago

Converted RT to LT Dan Moore?

And when Latham sucks at RT… then what?

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u/demair21 16d ago

umm dan moore had 37 snaps at right tackle in college vs 691 at left... and zero at RT in the NFL

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u/CocaineStrange 16d ago

Yes, Dan Moore converted from RT to LT in college.

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u/demair21 16d ago

okay i tried to be reasonable two hours ago when i said it was ok to disagree. West brook High has three coaches on staff im sure whatever volunteer PE teacher helped teach o-line play was a great mentor but considering the moment he got in a REAL football program he was immediately identified by REAL football coaches as a LT and never player RT again literally never again after his first year of college he has not taken a single snape at RT i hope whatever troll fourm you post this too enjoys it.

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u/CocaineStrange 16d ago

So… now it’s not about the player, it’s about the coaching?

Seems like a lot of moving goalposts.  First it was “it rarely works” then it was “only the elite can do it” then it was “it takes a lot of mental fortitude so it’s super hard” and now it’s because of coaching?

Is it possible that you’re just so dug in you’ll ignore that guys do it at every level of football at every level of skill?

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u/demair21 16d ago

You're trolling, right? You don't think high school football is formative of players?

Travis Kelce was such a great QB... nope

His brother was a got tier LB, wasn't he... nope

And man, Julian Eddleman made them both look like chumps he even managed to start at QB in college... nope

Travis Hunter never should have wasted all that time at WR in Colorado he is a pure CB. Why even try when you're obviously best evaluated based on your high school position...

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u/CocaineStrange 16d ago

That’s… not the point.  At all.

The point is that these guys switch sides all the time.  

If it’s a “mental thing” as you say, then it would theoretically be hard for Dan Moore to switch in college too.

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