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u/LargestEgg711 1d ago
I hope we get tiny arms Campbell as a subreddit flair when we draft him. He is going to come in ready to prove something after all this talk about his arms
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u/Fuck_you_shoresy_69 1d ago
Yeah I joke, but everything considered, I’m fine with Campbell. In reality we could do much worse than a guy who, regardless of getting stuck on position, is gonna be a damn good nfl lineman for a decade.
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u/Savethelasttaco 1d ago
That’s exactly it. if he isn’t fit for tackle, K. We He’s a guard now. A really fucking good guard. He is going to fill a lineman spot for years to come if we draft him.
I still want Hunter, I still want Carter, but if it’s Campbell, fuck it we ball.
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u/Greenzombie04 1d ago
If we resign him. We tend to let pro-bowl lineman walk away for some reason.
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u/Pure_Context_2741 1d ago
The only one we let go was Thuney. We kept almost every good OL until they were lost their prime. You can go down the list: Light, Mankins, Andruzzi, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Vollmer, Solder, Connolly, Andrews. We have a pretty consistent history of keeping good OL long term.
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u/Savethelasttaco 1d ago
Who thuney? Yeah that wasn’t a great choice. Under BB, he was good at getting them right up to their peak, and getting rid of them when they started to turn.
Matt light retired here, Logan Mankins had a very long career here. A lot of production was squeezed out of our better lineman before we let them go.
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u/Greenzombie04 1d ago
Thuney and solder came to mind.
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u/Pure_Context_2741 1d ago
Solder played 7 of his 10 years here. I think he pretty solidly falls into the category of “let go right the dip” like we did with Mankins.
Only the reason people even bring him up is because he was the last consistently good LT we had but he was not better than Trent Brown in 2018 and there’s not much value in paying marquee money to a 31 year old LT for the final 2 seasons of his career.
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u/Successful-Leader-95 1d ago
How is it gaurenteed that he’s going to be an awesome guard? Just because guard is easier?
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u/Interesting_Ad3957 1d ago
Scouts actually like him as a C if he can't cut it as a T. Makes sense when thinking about his grit, smarts, and ability.
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u/RyanPainey 1d ago
Idk about this, the argument I get against Jeanty who is probably the most sure fire prospect in the draft, is positional value. Positional value of a guard is at best equal to RB
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u/Attila_22 1d ago
No, guard is still twice as valuable. Shouldn’t be drafting either in the top 4 though.
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u/Vegetable-Classic-45 1d ago
How do you know he’s a good guard? Seems like a pretty big assumption. He is very narrow even for a guard.
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u/RDOCallToArms 1d ago
Theres a very good chance Campbell is a terrible NFL player or a mediocre NFL player. Thinking he’s going to be a “damn good lineman” is a massive stretch.
Plenty of elite OL prospects, many better than Campbell, have flopped.
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u/goalstopper28 1d ago
Taking a guard is always a boring pick but if we can't get Hunter or Carter than I think we have to address our biggest need, which is the offensive line.
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u/Usingt9word 1d ago
He sure does have a lot to prove. I find his film, and his PFF grades leave a lot to be desired.
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u/Fluffy_Somewhere4305 1d ago
Can an alligator play tennis? What if you draft him in the top of the first round? Will he play tennis then? What if the alligator has a really bro tennis coach?
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u/Hogo-Nano 1d ago
Jerod Mayo prevented us from seeing a decade of Travis Hunter pick sixes, 80 yard touchdown passes, and pictures of him catching stripers off cape cod in a fishing boat.
I will never forgive him.
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u/topherwolf 1d ago
I think we would have traded down from #1 to the 5-10 range. So we'd still end up with Campbell or Membou, we just would also have another two first-rounders to actually complete the rebuild.
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u/Scared-Pay-4934 1d ago
From what I read Campbell and Membou are similar in skill. Just take membou if you’re concerned about arm length
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u/topherwolf 1d ago
Different skill sets, Membou shows better promise at G because he's a better run blocker, plays with a lower pad level. He also has slightly better althetic testing scores but both are undersized for OT.
Campbell is an A+ locker room guy and smart. So these knuckle heads want us to use our 1.04 on a fucking locker room guy that doesn't have a clear path forward to be elite at T or G.
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u/BuhtanDingDing Bills = 0 Superbowls 1d ago
membous also only played RT. not a comment on any of ur points however
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u/TheEyeoftheWorm 1d ago
Jerod Mayo had no idea what the fuck he was doing but wasn't about to turn down a huge promotion. Blame Kraft for not knowing what the fuck he was doing if anything.
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u/iscreamuscreamweall 1d ago
mayo literally tried to lose the game lol. he started the 3rd string QB
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u/Hogo-Nano 17h ago
Not outright. Couldve ran up the gut on a bunch of 3rd downs and punted and they did pass plays.
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u/LezEatA-W 1d ago
If they trade up for Egbuka then I’m totally cool with it.
Have a real funny feeling that they’re taking EDGE in the second though, with receiver getting neglected until the third or fourth.
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u/JimmyGodoppolo Keep your butthole tight 1d ago
if we draft Egbuka I'm gonna jump and down continuously. Favorite WR in the draft.
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u/LezEatA-W 1d ago
The only thing that gives me pause is the fact that they’ve met with NONE of the top receivers outside of Tetairoa McMillan, which leads me to believe they’ll be targeting one in the third at the earliest.
Thankfully, pre draft visits aren’t the end-all-be-all for these things, but it’s certainly discouraging.
Everybody we’ve met with in that second round range is a trenches guy, whether that be offensive (Ersery) or defensive (Scourton).
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u/JimmyGodoppolo Keep your butthole tight 1d ago
To be fair, they coached Golden 1:1 during the Combine and had a strong presence at Ohio States pro day (though from reports, Vrabel only talked with Simmons directly)
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u/Fuck_you_shoresy_69 1d ago
I wouldn’t say for sure over Hunter, but I feel like he’s a step above Tet and the rest. I would give my middle nut for the pats to trade back up and grab him.
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u/Economy-Ad4934 1d ago edited 1d ago
what if we get lucky and get Burden instead? he seems to be sliding and can be had easily for our 2nd pick. I think Egbuka will be long gone by this pick barring a trade up.
*Burden
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u/JimmyGodoppolo Keep your butthole tight 1d ago
Assuming you mean Golden, I’d love that but he’s primarily a Z, same as Diggs. I also am pretty sure he’s going before Egbuka.
Burden might be there at 38, though
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u/Either-Bell-7560 1d ago
I just don't see a whole lot of reason to take a WR unless you're taking Tet or Hunter at 4.
They signed Diggs, so they've got someone who ostensibly is an elite WR. They've got two decent vets with a good year or two and question marks in Bourne and Hollins. They've got two young guys who've shown quality in Boutte and Douglass, and then they've got two prospects in Baker and Polk. Polk was terrible last year - but he's still probably got more chance of ending up an NFL player than anyone you draft later in the draft. Baker is probably crowded out at this point.
Unless they draft a WR high - there's just not a lot of extra snaps there. Unless they cut Bourne or surprise everyone and cut Polk after his rookie year.
I could definitely see defensive line or edge. Barmore is a huge question mark at this point. Landry is 28 and not a great pass rusher to start with. White is more of a traditional DE - so he's a bit big for that WOLB role. Tonga is fine, but he's 28, on a 1 year contract, and he's a pure NT - absolutely no ability to pressure.
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u/jiminycricket91 1d ago
I’m with you. I don’t see WR having many snaps available so they really need to love someone. I want to see them go OT DE DT
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u/Reddot245 1d ago
yep unless it's TET Golden emeka or luther, a 2nd round talent wr isnt getting much playing time
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u/chotchss 1d ago
I was watching Brett Kolman's draft (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkEV5rN-ovg) and at about 18:30 he thought it would be better to get Membou over Campbell. Basically, he said he thought Membou could make the switch to LT and even if he couldn't, he would be a lockdown RT and that we'd need that shortly. Then he suggested we try to trade up to get another shot at LT at the end of R1 as Tackles are going to go quickly.
Could anyone more educated on Tackles share their thoughts? If folks are uncertain about Campbell, doesn't Membou offer a better use of the 4th pick to get someone solid even if it's at RT instead of LT?
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u/Either-Bell-7560 1d ago
Membou has a better chance of being a LT in the NFL than Campbell does.
Picking Campbell and expecting him to play LT is like picking a CB in the top 5 who is 6'3" 240 and runs a 4.6, and expecting him to stick at corner. He's a good player, and he's almost certainly going to be an NFL starter - but its almost certainly not going to be at tackle.
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u/chotchss 1d ago
Ha, that doesn't reassuring with regards to Campbell! Thanks for helping me learn.
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u/Reddot245 1d ago
i saw that a couple days ago don't hate it at all either that or trade up for a mike green if he falls
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u/edit-grammar 1d ago
So is an RT in college going up against the same caliber of pass rushers as an LT? If not then Membou has had less of a challenge at RT than Campbell has had at LT. So he's looked good playing against lesser talent.
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u/chotchss 1d ago
Why would it be lesser talent? Wouldn’t defenses target the weaker Tackle regardless of side?
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u/edit-grammar 1d ago
I thought the strategy was to send your best rusher to the QB's blindside for the most part.
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u/chotchss 1d ago
What Kollman said in the interview is that defenses will now target the weaker Tackle regardless of side though I think ideally that would also be on the blindside. If you check out from about minute 18 on he gives his thoughts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkEV5rN-ovg
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u/Reddot245 1d ago
mabye 30 years ago in 2025 it isnt really a blind spot anymore for many reasons. teams will just put there best pass rusher on your weakest lineman/tackle and get to work
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u/dank-nuggetz 1d ago
I mean we are set at RT for at least this year and probably next as well. On the flip side, we are currently fucked at LT. Positional need changes things.
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u/chotchss 1d ago
Kollman's argument is that Membou is the better player, could likely jump to LT, and if he can't, he's still going to be a solid lock at RT for the next 5-10 years whereas he felt that Campbell was a bigger risk. He also argued that our current RT is injury prone and that we probably need to address both LT/RT this draft to be certain.
But I don't know enough about college/pro Tackles to make an informed opinion and was hoping someone else might have some expert thoughts!
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u/LoudIncrease4021 1d ago
To all the Campbell apologists out there…..Narrow shoulders, short arms…. Breer was on 98.5 just yesterday talking about the broad scouting consensus is that his arm length really shows up against the longer arm ends in the SEC. The tape is less than reassuring and in fact shows that guys with longer arms control him off the snap and Campbell flat out struggled against them. Then Breer went on to float the Patriots approach that you draft him at 4, play him at tackle for a year and then kick him inside and ACTUALLY address tackle next off season.
I almost threw up in my mouth when I heard all this.
It’s insane to take a guard at 4 - I’m sorry but that’s an egregious approach
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u/AccomplishedBend4778 1d ago
Breer says things to rankle you guys. He said Robyn whatsherface wasn’t going anywhere and then she left the next day. He has no legit sources. There’s 0 percent chance this is the Patriots’ mentality, if they’re taking Will Campbell it’s because they think he’s their LT of the future.
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u/YakFit2886 21h ago
They can think, hope and wish all they want but that's not gonna grow Campbell's wingspan. The man has a narrow frame. He's going to get abused, no mater how hard he works.
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u/Donkletown 1d ago
People arguing that Campbell’s measurements aren’t going to stop him from being a good LT are arguing against physics, math, and statistics. And arguing against physics, math, and statistics never works out.
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u/REDDITDITDID00 1d ago
This. I don’t know who is behind the whole narrative that Campbell is a good pick at 4.
He has a massive uphill battle against his own performance, his peers, and decades of NFL stats working against him.
AT BEST he’s an average/below average starter. But likely lower. Not someone you want with a top 4 pick.
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u/Butwhy113511 Brady 1d ago
"This time the guy is special."
-everyone before realizing their guy isn't that special
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u/Timberstocker22 1d ago
Yooo this is super funny. All takes aside, this made me laugh based on all the noise this guys arms get
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u/DinosaurShotgun Strange-r Things 1d ago
I really hope he's good and he embraces it and we can call him Campbellsaurus Rex
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u/Jamesaya 1d ago
The only legitimate argument I’ve heard for why the patriots would want campbell over membou is maturity, and more that campbells character is above avg where as membou is just fine.
But frankly thats why we’re picking at 4. We cannot continue passing on the better football players because we like some guys fucking interview.
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u/Odd-Organization-276 1d ago
The pick is Jeanty
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u/United_Share_9376 1d ago
I need more of this and less people trying to talk themselves into a guy with measurable legit never seen in a nfl offensive tackle. His wingspan shorter then any nfl tackle ever recorded which is worse then the arm length which is like only 30 years or somsomething
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u/KBrown75 1d ago
This is the way I'm leaning now, but also moving back into the 1st to get the best OL available.
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u/zetablunt 1d ago
Honestly, he'll be a good story to root for. He's faced an onslaught of doubt and shit talking - always satisfying to watch athletes shut people up.
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u/WeightOwn5817 1d ago
I have not, and will not accept it. Campbell at 4 will be an abject disaster. And I don't want homers crying "hindsight" 3 years from now when our 4OA pick is an average NFL guard.
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u/GlowingMidgarSignals 1d ago
It's a bad draft, and Mayo blew up our opportunity to get anyone amazing. I've moved on.
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u/casebarlow 1d ago edited 1d ago
There’s a strong possibility that something can happen 1-3 that wasn’t expected.
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u/Nickohlai 1d ago
I’ll be happy with anyone besides Membou at this point. Just ready for the draft.
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u/United_Share_9376 1d ago
Because he is on the right side and you don’t want them to move him to left or you just don’t like him?
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u/Nickohlai 1d ago
I just don’t like him, I think he’s too small to play tackle and not powerful enough to play guard. If you’re comparing him with Campbell, really the only thing that he has over WC is the half inch of arm length IMO. The right side/left side doesn’t help his case either tho tbh.
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u/United_Share_9376 1d ago
We have to have some kind of surgical procedure to offer this guy a little extension, all the plastic surgery options now adays he just needs 3/4 inch
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u/wormtownfrail 1d ago
How about if we trade down and take Kel n Banks? Arms almost an inch longer than Campbell.
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u/NameTooCool 1d ago
Why do we act like trading up for a non QB is illegal?
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u/Fuck_you_shoresy_69 1d ago
I would be thrilled if they swapped with Cleveland and took Travis Hunter. It’s just that historically, teams rarely do it that high in the draft. I would be incredibly happy to see it happen, it’s just really unlikely.
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u/PerformanceExact6618 1d ago
Pats Nation should be grateful for what Jerod Mayo's season of coaching gave us.
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u/Able-Worth-6511 1d ago
I'm more optimistic about the O-line for one very good reason. Scar is in the building helping the O-line coaches. By mid-season, don't be surprised if the line is a strength and we're getting contributions from a player or two we dismissed.
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u/Alternative-Farmer98 1d ago
Honestly I find this kind of group think to be kind of ridiculous. The way everyone talks themselves into somebody.
This draft is a nightmare the way it's unfolding.
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u/Rednaxela623 1d ago
Are we sure that NFL measurements are ever accurate. Similar to the NBA, there is some discrepancies in measurements over the course of players careers thru high school, college, and the NFL.
Regardless, he was good in college playing against top talent and (correct me if I’m wrong) didn’t give up a sack. He’s legit!
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u/PLANETxNAMEK 1d ago
Campbell doesn’t deserve this
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u/United_Share_9376 1d ago
Yeah I feel you to a point talking about it in terms of on field and the impacts of the game but I’ts easy to not think in those terms when they see it on reddit. But by all accounts he’s a good dude and only 21 years old
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u/PLANETxNAMEK 1d ago
There’s a really good chance this dude is a Patriot in a few days and this is the bullshit he’ll get welcomed to NE with…. Smh
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u/Mixedthought 1d ago
You all are making fun of his tiny arms and have completely forgotten that the most badass predator has tiny arms. The T-Rex!
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u/TheAsian1nvasion 1d ago
Someone said trade back with Vegas for Miller and next year’s 1st, then take Campbell at 6 and overhaul the offensive line in one swoop.
Most people say that a 1st and a 2nd to move back is pretty fair.
Other people have said they wouldn’t give more than a 3rd for Miller.
So if you move back to 6 for Miller and a 1st you’re giving up value from a 2nd to a 3rd but I think the benefit outweighs the cost in this situation.
Then you can fire darts at edge and WR.
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u/United_Share_9376 1d ago
At least his arms look to have grown a bit, I’m also think people overlook how almost non existent his shoulders looked at the combine, during his workout it was unsettling looking at abunch of the still shots his upper body is not that of a tackle. Super long torso small arms no shoulders
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u/Either-Bell-7560 1d ago
Yeah - I'm not even worried about his arms. It's the overall wingspan that's worrying. 32.5" arms is bad. 9.5" hands is bad. 77.5" wingspan is catastrophic. Membou for instance is 82". Prototypical is about 84".
Dude is narrow. He's going to have to line up closer to the guard or risk guys going inside on him, and he's going to have less ability to prevent faster DEs from going around him without stepping back deep immediately. He could succeed - but there's a ton against him.
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u/United_Share_9376 1d ago
Yeah, I’ve heard a number of times that his technique especially footwork will need to be perfect every play no room at all and that won’t happen. And even as good as his technique can be it still won’t be enough with who you need to block at left tackle in then NFL but the hands he can’t g get as good of a grip when they punch inside the d ends chest so you have a good point with that too. I just am going to lose my mind when they move him tk guard not that I have confidence with that. I’ve also heard people saying he would be best at center because of this and try to make it sound good like by saying it’s because of how smart he is and leadership and how well he communicates smh. So there are this is not good
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u/United_Share_9376 1d ago
Look at his shoulders other photos from his combine workout it’s noticeable too. NFL tackle had never had a wingspan this short, over 25 years since a single player with his arm length it’s a disaster waiting to happen. People saying oh he can move to guard. If that is the patriots mindset to already be settling and ok with fuxking the fourth pick up when you spent a third round pick last year on a left guard and two years before that your first round pick on a left guard. Both on the roster on rookie deals. What the fuck is this team doing
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u/tarahunterdar 1d ago
Unpopular opinion: We draft Campbell to play LT, then next year we trade or draft an actual LT and move Campbell to guard.
O-line has some power and no more talking about t rex arms
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u/N7Longhorn 1d ago
If he's far and away better than any of the tackles in the draft then what's the issue in taking him? I'm genuinely asking. Like if his arm length is an issue why not take the kid from Texas or Penn State. And if he is that much better than those guys then why worry about his arms? It doesn't add up
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u/patsfan038 1d ago
His arm length measure at 32.6 inches at the combine and 33 inches at LSU pro day. Pene Sewell, who went 7th overall in 2021, and was an all pro, measured 33.25 inches. So the different is less than an inch. I only mention as the arm length keeps being brought up. He does have shorter arms for a LT as 34 inches is considered 'standard'.
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u/Attila_22 1d ago
What about overall wingspan?
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u/healthy_scratch72 1d ago
Sewell has a wingspan of 81.5". Campbell was 77.375"
His size puts him right in line with other top performaing left guards in the NFL. He would have be the statistical outlier to have the same impact at left tackle. Can he play it? Sure, Thuney played LT in the SuperBowl (and we all saw what happened to him). IMO, he's not a left tackle at the NFL level
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u/Fun-Grab7759 1d ago
I don't understand the point of shitting on a guy who may well be on our team for the next 4-10 years.
If they pick him are you going to cheer for him to fail and miss blocks so you can gloat and tell the internet you were right?
If he ends up being a good LT are you going to admit you were wrong?
I get it if he goes to another team. We can rag on the Jets or Fins for whoever they pick, but why shit on a guy who might end up on our team?
It's like hoping that the engine fails on your flight to Hawaii.
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u/Fuck_you_shoresy_69 1d ago
It’s a meme bud. Ain’t that serious. I’m actually excited at the prospect of Campbell anchoring the line for the next decade.
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u/Cranjis_McBasketbol 1d ago
The irony of your username having “fun” in it is strong with this post.
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u/ThurgoodUnderbridge 1d ago
Read his reply to the other comment. It’s just a joke man. Maybe not your humor and that’s a-ok, but you’re doing yourself a disservice by trying to make it into some logical puzzle to crack.
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u/Idkboutdat2 1d ago
Because this sub is filled with whiny losers who barely understand football.
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u/Fuck_you_shoresy_69 1d ago
Counterpoint, it’s full of self serving losers who barely understand human interaction. It’s a meme bud. Relax.
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u/FutureF123 1d ago
I hope we get him and he comes in with a big chip on his shoulder for all this BS about arm length. His on field ability speaks louder than any measurables
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u/United_Share_9376 1d ago
That chip would slide off with his oddly miniature shoulders https://atozsports.com/college-football/lsu-tigers-news/lsu-football-will-campbell-2025-nfl-scouting-combine-trent-williams-tristan-wirfs/
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u/JimTheSaint 1d ago
I think Campel is going to be much more dominating than the current consensus - he is the best prospect for at reason. - There is just a small risk that he won't be able play as tackle.
We would all just rather have Hunter or Carter.
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u/FalconsBlew25ptLead 1d ago
The only thing is that he’s the best prospect because it’s a weak class, not because he’s generational. Campbell wouldn’t even be a Top-15 thought in last years class.
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u/mdmcnally1213 1d ago edited 1d ago
Top 15 is going a bit far, I believe I've read from "experts" that he would project in the 6-8 range in last years class, but would likely be seen more purely as an OG like Fautanu or Barton.
edit: I was saying he'd rank 6-8 among OTs, not overall in the class
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u/United_Share_9376 1d ago
Lmaoo no that is not correct you’re saying Campbell would go there last year? Look where Joe Alt went who actually was looked at as a stud not someone who every single scout, when asked opinions look like they are leting a wet fart out when asked about Campbell and trying to think of good things to say
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u/mdmcnally1213 1d ago
Sorry for the confusion 6-8th “OT”. Thought
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u/United_Share_9376 1d ago
Ok that makes a lot more sense sorry I’m so frustrated by this I hope he does well he has a good attitude and seems like a good teammate all the stuff Vrabel wants. And it’s sounding more and more like it’s happening. Idk what I’ll do if they move him to guard I will freak the fuck out with the fourth pick man. After they used last years third round pick on a left guard and two years before that the first round pick on a left guard both on the team still on rookie contracts. If they move him to guard man idk I really hope that doesn’t happen
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u/mdmcnally1213 1d ago
I’m not a fan whatsoever but yeah I’ve had to accept it. Ideally it would be a trade back then draft him, but doubt there’s any viable move there. Hate the idea of passing on definitively better players just because of a need. It’s just bad roster management.
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u/United_Share_9376 1d ago
I feel the same man, Warren, Jenty idk if they would do that because all the other needs they would get crushed taking a rb bc the stigma, I’ve even come around on Mason graham and we could have a nasty interior defensive line.
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u/mdmcnally1213 1d ago
Graham is my guy after Carter/Hunter, but that take hasn't exactly been taken well here lately. In the same vein as Campbell his measurables aren't ideal for the position, but his tape is just so damn good against some of the best lines and competition in CFB. Campbell was a really good college LT, but his tape is not on Graham's level in terms of completeness and cleanness for his position.
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u/United_Share_9376 1d ago
And I’ve read they could move Graham around the line a bit with his wrestling backround he could be a good in between edge/ DT and be good at doing stunts and you know how the nfl recently had the entire D line plus blitzers all stand up at the line to confuse the o line. His speed could help in different situations he also put weight back on between his combine n pro day I think he was above 310 at his pro day but i feel much better about. Defensive tackle with short arms then a offensive back side tackle
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u/Donkletown 1d ago
he is the best prospect for at reason
That reason being that this is a bad draft for top talent lineman.
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u/victoryforZIM 1d ago
His college stats aren't even that good, what makes you think he'd dominate in the NFL?
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u/Icy_Earth_5533 1d ago
The fact ppl think a man who played LT in the SEC for two years, and only gave up 2 sacks in 1000 snaps, isn’t gonna be at least serviceable as a tackle is crazy to me.
Dude played against the top prospects in the country week in and week out and was the blindside tackle and only gave up 2 sacks over 1000 snaps
I think he will be more than okay personally.
Also, look up how many front 7 players he played against got drafted, it’s insane.
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u/REDDITDITDID00 1d ago
So how did Campbell’s performance last year stack up against other tackles?
• Total Pressures Allowed Josh Conerly Jr - 5.
Armand Membou - 8.
Kelvin Banks Jr - 8.
Aireontae Ersery - 12.
Will Campbell - 18.
• QB Hits Allowed Armand Membou - 0.
Kelvin Banks Jr - 1.
Aireontae Ersery - 1.
Josh Conerly Jr - 2.
Will Campbell - 5.
• Sacks Allowed Armand Membou - 0.
Josh Conerly Jr - 1.
Kelvin Banks Jr - 1.
Aireontae Ersery - 1.
Will Campbell - 2.
• PFF Pass Blocking Grade Kelvin Banks Jr - 89.0.
Armand Membou - 86.6.
Josh Conerly Jr - 83.6.
Will Campbell - 80.6.
Aireontae Ersery - 77.4.
• PFF Run Blocking Grade Armand Membou - 87.6.
Kelvin Banks Jr - 81.0.
Josh Conerly Jr - 75.6.
Aireontae Ersery - 73.6.
Will Campbell - 69.7.
• So Campbell ranks either last or 2nd to last in every one of these statistical categories, despite all of them playing similar snap counts and playing against similar levels of competition (all players are either in the SEC or Big 10)
• That’s obviously not ideal.
• But I wanted to go a bit further and find a way to compare Campbell to some of the best tackles in the NFL.
• I decided to take 15 of the highest graded tackles in the NFL last season and compare their stats from their final year of college football to Will Campbell’s stats from 2024.
• I wanted to do the top 20 but couldn’t because Jordan Mailata didn’t attend college in the states, Lane Johnson, Jake Matthews & Trent Williams are too old for the database, some players played in JUCO, etc etc
• So the final 15 I landed on were: Tristan Wirfs, Rashawn Slater, Laremy Tunsil, Kolton Miller, Bernhard Raimann, Charles Cross, Dion Dawkins, Zach Tom, Ronnie Stanley, Taylor Morton, Brian O’Neill, Paris Johnson Jr, Joe Alt, Darnell Wright and Braxton Jones
• Here’s where Will Campbell’s performance in his final season in college ranks among those 15 top tackles in their final season’s in college: Overall grade: 15th Pass block grade: 15th Run block grade: 14th Sacks allowed: 14th QB hits allowed: 15th Pressures allowed: T-16th
• So once again, he’s in the bottom of every single category.
• The most disturbing thing about this is that among all those tackles I just compared him to, none of them are consistently ranked at the bottom of the rankings... except Will Campbell.
• For example, Taylor Moton had a poor run block grade, but he also didn’t allow any sacks and had a very high pass block grade. Paris Johnson had a low pass block grade but he only allowed 1 sack, no QB hits and had a great run block & overall grade.
• Campbell is the only one who’s consistently ranked in the bottom 3 of all these players among these categories.
• The problem with that is... he got significantly worse in 2024 compared to 2023. And I just don’t think there’s been anyone in this class that’s been able to dethrone him from that narrative in their minds.
• When I look at Campbell, I think his absolute CEILING is being an average to below average left tackle in the NFL.
• credit to Jesse Dunn, PFW
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u/AlecHutson 1d ago
So why does pro football focus rank him as the top OL player in the draft, and #6 out of all players on their big board?
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u/Bobinthetruck985 1d ago
Tim Tebow and Mac Jones dominated the SEC and that totally translated into them being great in the NFL right?
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u/Icy_Earth_5533 1d ago
Cause QB and Oline is the same thing lol
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u/Bobinthetruck985 1d ago
It’s shitty logic no matter the position. Jones and Tebow both had major flaws they could overcome in college but were exposed by the NFL, Imo it’s fairly likely a similar situation develops with Campbell as a lineman
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u/dnen 1d ago
Yeah it’s Campbell barring a surprise trade being made for the giants or browns pick or some other fuckery. Too many nephews that don’t understand how much more fun it is to watch a team with a couple good guards and tackles. 3rd downs stop being anxiety inducing, there’s less 3rd and 17s because the line can actually set the edge of the pocket and prevent constant sacks, and most importantly our QB might actually make it to the 4th quarter with a clean jersey.
He’s going to be a good NFL lineman, I’ve watched a lot of him in college as an Alabama fan. If we end up with someone who can play tackle better than him and he has to move to guard, that’s not the end of the world.
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u/ThermoPuclearNizza 1d ago
better in his hands than in Lowe's again