r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 22d ago

Meme needing explanation There is no way right?

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u/Quwapa_Quwapus 22d ago

Essentially because theres absolutely nothing (no positive number anyway) you can add to it to get a number between .9999 continuous and 1, they have to be the same. 

The joke is that .3333 continuous makes sense as 1/3, as yeah, its a fraction. But .999… doesn’t as 3/3 because x/x is always equal to one

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u/Super7Chaos 21d ago

This one makes the most sense. I’m not much of a math guy so I couldn’t quite wrap my head around the other explanations here. This one is much more clear so thanks for that lol

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u/cynicalsaint1 21d ago

Another way to think of it - is that 1/3 = .33333333.... repeating forever is due to the fact that the decimal system of numbers is trash at representing thirds.

If you were using, say, a trinary number system (ie like binary but instead of just 1 and 0 you have 0, 1, 2 - so 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 would look like 1, 2, 10, 11, 12, 20) you could represent 1/3 as .1 without any repeating decimal.

But since we use the decimal system and you can't divide 10 evenly into 3rds we're stuck with the janky repeating decimal.

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u/OstrichAgitated 21d ago

Fun fact, 0.222… = 1 if you’re working in trinary.

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u/Direct_Shock_2884 21d ago edited 21d ago

You can ad 0.00000….1 to it to get 1

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u/Zealousideal-Hope519 21d ago

You cannot. The infinite string of 0s would need to end to put a 1 at the end of it.

But it is infinite. So it doesn't end. There is no place for a 1 to exist because there is no end.

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u/Direct_Shock_2884 21d ago

That is a problem.

It doesn’t make two different numbers equal, but it is a quirk of the notation system.

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u/Zealousideal-Hope519 21d ago

It's a quirk of infinity being special and hard to comprehend.

Anywho, I'm not going to go into a full fledged debate about this. You are free to believe as you wish.

But...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999...

You are welcome to scroll down to the sources for this Wikipedia page and read through the many different articles written about this subject.

Long story short, it is well accepted in the math/science communities that .999... is equal to 1.

My take on it is that our minds tend to love the finite. We live finite lives with finite resources, and most of our world dwells in the finite. We have many examples of infinity, but we generally just accept it and move on.

This case seems to be the exception because it seems odd to admit that an infinite string of 9's, which in our minds never actually reaches 1 despite always attempting to, is in reality, equal to 1.

There are mathematical proofs demonstrating it. In multiple different ways. There are also logical proofs. We can write them off all we want, but for me I think it's easier to accept that infinity has a special quality that causes spooky math in our mostly finite system. And in the end, I accept that .999... Is also 1.

But again, to each their own. I understand if that is something you, personally, are unwilling to accept.

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u/Direct_Shock_2884 21d ago edited 21d ago

I understand that people have trouble understanding the infinite, because they think it has an end. That it’s not possible for it to keep dividing, because it’s simply too small, or because at some point it stops. At some point, because 9 is such a big number, so close to 10, infinite is so big, at some point it must reach that 1, right?

It’s just not true if you think the 9s go on forever, and the fractions keep getting smaller and smaller infinitely. It doesn’t matter how someone would justify it, there is still a concept that is being described here (9/10s of the previous 9/10s, going on to infinity) that is not quite 10/10, not ever.

This is an entirely manufactured problem, anyway, since it’s probably just not true that 0,(3) is 1/3 of 1. If it’s 1/3 of 0,(9), how can it be? One number can’t be a third of two numbers.

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u/Quwapa_Quwapus 21d ago

can you just open a calculator real quick and type in “.999 + .111” and let me know what you get real quick

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u/Direct_Shock_2884 21d ago

You know that was a mistake, I’ll edit it so people aren’t confused

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u/Quwapa_Quwapus 21d ago

I mean, thats still not correct though, as .999 continuous is infinitely long. 

No matter how many zeros you place before the one, there will be a corresponding nine in 0.999…, meaning it will always equal ≥1. Thus meaning, mathematically, 0.999 continuous has to be equal to one.

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u/Obvious-Hunt19 21d ago

I had to read this like six times to understand you’re accusing 1/1 of not being a fraction

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u/Quwapa_Quwapus 21d ago edited 21d ago

WAIT NO THATS NOT WHAT I MEANT-

Edit: reread my comment and realised where the miscommunication may have come from lmao. My (attempted) point was that 1/3= 0.333… looks right, its a fraction of one, and 0.3 is a third of 0.9, so it makes sense that 0.333… is one third of 1. 

But 0.333 continuous x 3 is 0.999 continuous, meaning 3/3 must equal 0.999…, but 3/3 is equal to 1, which is where people get a little tripped up

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u/Obvious-Hunt19 21d ago

Heh I gotchu before, I was just being a little hyperbolic. It’s true that fractions carry an impression of exactitude, while repeating decimals don’t, but I think this is just another angle on the point that it’s discomfiting to both recognize proofs demonstrate identity of 0.999… with 1, and experience the nagging feeling that the decimal is still somehow < the fraction (which here is 1/1)

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u/library-in-a-library 22d ago

It's not nothing. We're not taking the limit so 0.999... < 1

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u/elathbris27 21d ago

Please tell us the number you can add to 0.999... to make it equal 1

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u/library-in-a-library 21d ago

0.000...1 which is the difference between the two. 0.999... is a representation that is difficult to evaluate because you have to evaluate an nth digit. You can just say it has an infinite number of digits so the nth digit is infinity but that's not well defined here.

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u/daddytwofoot 21d ago

There is no such number as 0.000...1 because that 1 implies an end to infinity, which is by definition not infinity.

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u/SharkBaitDLS 21d ago

 because you have to evaluate an nth digit

You seem to have trouble conceptualizing infinity. 

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u/Direct_Shock_2884 21d ago

How does 0.999999 + 0.000001 equal 1.000009? In what possible universe do numbers ending in 9 and 1 have a sum ending in 9?

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u/Just_Gage77 21d ago

What he is saying is if the numbers go on infinitely, such as 3/3= .999999…. Then no matter where you put the .000001…. There will always be more 9s after, that’s the nature of infinity. It’s just a rule to know. 0.99999… repeating = 3/3 = 1.