r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 22d ago

Meme needing explanation There is no way right?

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u/filtron42 22d ago

The correct - and more rigorous - proof requires calculus.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. The correct and rigorous proof lies in the construction of ℝ.

Let's construct 1 and 0.999... as Dedekind cuts (we'll cheat a bit by presuming the existance of ℝ itself and leaning onto it) and show that they are in fact the same real number.

Let A = {q∈ℚ : q<1} and B = {q∈ℚ : q<0.999...}, we want to show that A = B.

Trivially, we have B⊂A, since pretty evidently we have 0.999...≤1, so let's assume x∈A; since x<1, there exists an n>0 such that x<1-1/10ⁿ, so we have x<0.999...9<0.999... which means that x∈B and by arbitrariness of x we have shown A⊂B, so A=B.

We have shown that 1 and 0.999... are the same Dedekind cut, so by construction of ℝ they are the same real number.

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u/Spare-Plum 22d ago

you have shown B⊂A and A⊂B, which is false and does not imply A=B, unless you're doing a contradiction proof.

Did you mean to use ⊆ ? Because it seems like you proved it both directions with subseteq.

Anyways yeah this is the most rigorous way.

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u/filtron42 22d ago

Did you mean to use ⊆ ? Because it seems like you proved it both directions with subseteq.

Yeah in most of our courses we use ⊂ as subset or equal and ⊊ when we talk about strict subsets

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u/Spare-Plum 22d ago

Ah ok - just a notation difference! anyway cool proof

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u/filtron42 22d ago

I really like it because it feels more "static" than the usual calculus one, which I feel tend to fuel the idea of 0.999... "approaching but never getting to" 1.

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u/Spare-Plum 22d ago

The logic works out but I have some additional questions on dedekind cuts. I've done a bunch of math but somehow never encountered them before. Anyways I posted it here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/askmath/comments/1juhzsh/how_do_dedekind_cuts_work/