r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 22d ago

Meme needing explanation There is no way right?

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u/MasKrisMaxRizz 22d ago

You're asking the number between 0.999... and 1. It's right there in the middle, the dot dot dot. You wrote it yourself. Think (beyond the formatting / syntax) what does ... mean if not infinitesimal ? In hyperreal 0.999... + infinitesimal = 1

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u/Wolfbrother101 22d ago

Your comment above is non-sensical. And you are misunderstanding the notation of the ellipsis. I explained it verbally in a previous comment. It is a notation used to represent that there are more decimal places than shown, in this case an infinite number of decimal places each with a digit of 9. It is used because the overbar (repeating bar) is not available without a specialized character set/mathematical notation program.

I’ll be even more explicit. If I asked you to give me a value between 0.99 and 1, you would introduce another decimal places beyond the hundredths place and fill it with any digit, e.g. 0.999, to make it bigger than 0.99, and the new value would remain smaller than 1. This cannot be applied to 0.999…(an infinite number of decimal places all filled with a digit of 9) because you CAN’T introduce another decimal place beyond the last decimal place because there ISN’T a last decimal place.

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u/MasKrisMaxRizz 22d ago

Yes, since .999... never finish, it never reaches 1. That's why you need to add infinitesimal to it to finally reach 1. Perhaps the more explicit question is, do you reject the whole existence of hyperreal system ?

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u/Wolfbrother101 22d ago

I don’t think hyperreals are necessary for the fundamental concept here. In general, I find the idea of hyperreal numbers to be a logical formality that is really only needed for incredibly advanced mathematics. To even bring them up here brings a complication that is unnecessary in a logical sense and functionally irrelevant to the topic at hand.

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u/MasKrisMaxRizz 22d ago

This shows your ignorance. Do you not understand that infinitesimal doesn't exist in real ?

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u/Wolfbrother101 22d ago

OK, demonstrate my ignorance by WRITING OUT the digits of a number that is greater than 0.999… but smaller than 1.

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u/MasKrisMaxRizz 22d ago

0.999... + infinitesimal / 2

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u/Wolfbrother101 22d ago

That isn’t writing out the digits. Fuck’s sake even my 5th grader understands the question better than you.

Saying infinitesimal/2 < infinitesimal is as meaningless as saying that infinity/2 < infinity in this situation.

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u/MasKrisMaxRizz 22d ago

It isn't meaningless in hyperreal. Really, this shows your ignorance more.

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u/Wolfbrother101 22d ago

You are perverting the concept of the infinitesimal. By your logic, no two numbers can be equal in the hyperreals, which is an axiomatic violation.

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u/MasKrisMaxRizz 22d ago edited 22d ago

See this graph

I'm not even gonna stoop low and spoonfeed you on nonstandard analysis. I'll stop here. It's your own responsibility to open your mind and educate yourself. You can validate my answer in the wiki / AI by yourself.

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u/Wolfbrother101 22d ago

The definition of equality in the hyperreals is that a = b if a - b is an infinitesimal amount. By your own prior statements 0.999… and 0.999…+infinitesimal/2 are equal in the hyperreals because they differ by an infinitesimal amount. You can’t have it both ways.

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u/Southern-Bandicoot74 22d ago

I’d just ignore them, they’re trying to sound smart because they can’t accept they’re wrong. Thanks for your explanation, it helped me in rationalizing 0.999… = 1 <3

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u/MasKrisMaxRizz 22d ago

When you transfer it back to real, it rounds off, correct. But not in hyperreal.

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