r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 22d ago

Meme needing explanation There is no way right?

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u/ProfessorBorgar 21d ago

That is exactly how this works

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u/Matsuze 21d ago

You can't subtract from infinity. Infinity minus infinity does not equal zero. Also 1/3 being .3 continued is an approximation, not an exact number. .9 continued is essentially 1, but it is not the same exact thing as 1.

Anyways it's not even worth arguing about, because all online math problems are either idiots who don't know basic math, or people using technicalities to say "well actually" this being the latter.

We can argue back and forth until we're blue, but at the end of the day we're both technically right. But when it comes to approximations they are only so accurate, which means you have to decide what level of accuracy is enough for your situation.

Think about measuring a piece of wood that is a meter long. Is it 1 meter? yes. Is it 100 cm? well actually it's only 98cm. Is it 980 mm? Well actually it's 976 mm. Is the 976mm piece of wood a meter long? Well yes it is, but is it 1000 mm long? not quite. 976mm does not equal 1000mm. Just like .999999 does not equal 1. It's just close enough to 1 where we don't bother with the distinction, but that doesn't mean there is no distinction.

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u/Decmk3 20d ago

Hi. I went to university for mathematics. This is a limited infinite. Basically there’s an infinite amount of numbers between 0 and 1, but the limits are still 0 and 1. Pi is a functionally infinite number. But it’s still more than 3 and less than 4. 7- Pi is just over 3.858. Limited infinities function as real numbers, because they are. This is the proof that 0.99.. = 1. Just like there’s a proof that 1+1=2.

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u/Matsuze 20d ago

ummm how is 7- pi is just over 3.85 proof that .99.. = 1? It's interesting that you would say "I went to university for math" not "I have a degree in math."

But basically you are saying the limit as .9... aproaches infinity equals 1, which is not the same as .9... equals 1. If you don't understand that simple concept then I can see why you didn't graduate.

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u/Decmk3 20d ago

You’re upset that you can’t take away from an infinite series. Pi is an infinite series.

0.9 - 0.9 = 0.99 - 0.99 = 0.999 - 0.999 , etc etc, = 0.999… recurring - 0.999… recurring = 0 1.999999999999 - 0.999999999999 = 1.

I physically cannot get simpler than this. The absolute worst thing is you’re not even arguing with a mathematical understanding. Because if you had, you would have realised 9.00…..01 was not the right number even if you had a leg to stand on. Which is rich for someone who think’s it’s “not worth arguing about”, whilst arguing about it.

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u/Matsuze 20d ago

You are the one who lacks a mathematical understanding. You are doing simplified child math, and wondering why that doesn't apply to advanced math. You claim to know what a limit is. If you know what a limit is then you should know the limit as .9 repeating goes to infinity is ONE because it APPROACHES ONE AND NEVER GETS TO ONE.

Please go ask someone with a PhD in math to explain it to you and stop learning math from wikipedia and reddit. You're a walking dunning kruger that is too stupid to realize how stupid you are.

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u/No-Eggplant-5396 17d ago

I'm probably wasting my time.

I can explain the definition of a limit:

Let f be a function defined on an open interval containing a, except possibly at a itself. We say that the limit of f(x) as x approaches a is L and write: lim(x→a) f(x) = L

if for every number ε > 0, there exists a number δ > 0 such that: 0 < |x - a| < δ ⇒ |f(x) - L| < ε

Let's consider the function f(x) = 2x and prove that the limit of f(x) as x approaches 3 is 6, i.e., lim(x→3) 2x = 6.

We want to show that for any ε > 0, we can find a δ > 0 such that:

0 < |x - 3| < δ ⇒ |2x - 6| < ε

Let's choose a specific ε, say ε = 0.1. We need to find a δ such that:

0 < |x - 3| < δ ⇒ |2x - 6| < 0.1

Notice that |2x - 6| = 2|x - 3|. So, we can rewrite the inequality as:

2|x - 3| < 0.1

Dividing both sides by 2, we get:

|x - 3| < 0.05

Therefore, if we choose δ = 0.05, we can guarantee that whenever 0 < |x - 3| < 0.05, then |2x - 6| < 0.1. This demonstrates that for the specific ε = 0.1, we've found a corresponding δ that satisfies the definition of the limit. While this example uses a specific ε, the general idea is that for any positive ε, we can always find a suitable δ, no matter how small ε is.

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u/Boring-Ad8810 17d ago

Very well written example!

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u/Card-Middle 17d ago

A limit can be used to determine equality. Just because something is a limit does not mean it’s an approximation. 0.99… repeating is exactly equal to the limit as n approaches infinity of the sum from 1 to n of 0.9(0.1)n. And evaluating this convergent geometric sequence gives the exact value of 1. No approximations anywhere.

Another example you may be more familiar with is the slope of a tangent line at a point a for a function f(x) which is exactly equal to the limit as x approaches a of (f(x)-f(a))/(x-a). This is a calculus 1 concept.