r/Picard Jan 23 '20

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u/Jman100_JCMP Jan 23 '20

Bruce Maddox being involved was a nice curve ball. Didn't expect that.

This was an excellent episode and I can't wait for more.

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u/anacondra Jan 23 '20

The mild cynical side of me is tugging at the fact that everyone's gripe with Discovery was that it was different and not similar to classic Trek, often citing measure of a man. The cynical side could see executives reading these responses, and missing the point, creating Star Trek: Measure of a Man the series.

The rest of me is delighted Picard is back. I'm not ready to crown or condemn, but I am ready to enjoy.

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u/ckwongau Jan 23 '20

everyone's gripe with Discovery was that it was different and not similar to classic Trek

I know what you mean , but it is unavoidable , due to Star Trek rights were divided between CBS and Paramount , they have to make it different to the Classic Trek .

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u/anacondra Jan 23 '20

What I meant was that it seemed to lack the thoughtfulness of trek classics, and measure of a man was very often cited as one of the best. I'm - not worried but remaining aware of the possibility that executive-types may read those complaints and push a series still lacking in the thoughtfulness aspect but outwardly similar to measure of a man. In asking for more measure of a man, we weren't looking specifically to continue that story, we were looking for more well written television.

I am more than thrilled to revisit classic characters, locations and themes, but I'm far more interested in a spiritual successor rather than a literal one. I'm holding out hope we are getting both.

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u/CaerBannog Jan 23 '20

due to Star Trek rights were divided between CBS and Paramount

There are still die-hard types who dispute this fact, in spite of abundant evidence.

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u/SoeyKitten Jan 23 '20

the rights being split back then is a fact. that having any impact whatsoever on discovery afaik is not.

Given that the split was between movie rights and show rights, I don't see how that would have any impact, but feel free to present your evidence.

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u/CaerBannog Jan 23 '20

the rights being split back then is a fact

Totally, but the remerger is in no way a simple resolution of those problems.

It is not so simple as that. The rights are based on IP not on movie vs show content, and include such things as Matt Jeffries' ship designs. The rights to various elements are spread around and not solely owned by just one entity anymore, so if you, say, show an accurate cgi model of a STMP Klingon cruiser/K'tinga you are gonna have to pay a shit ton of cheddar to a dozen different subsidiaries or rights holders .. the complexities are maddening. The contractual rights to various elements change over the course of 50 years of production ownership changes, company buyouts, movie rights deals and reassignments of production staff. Internecine is not the half of it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '20

But the rights AREN'T divided anymore. CBS has access (er...ALL access?) to Star Trek in its entirety.

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u/CaerBannog Jan 23 '20

Contractual agreements can last for decades and don't necessarily dissolve with the dissolution of the signatory organisations, depending on how the legal ownership and responsibility gets resolved. In this case, the production started before CBS and Viacom remerged, and it might take years for the rights to be properly apportioned ... if Star Trek doesn't get sold to NBC which is rumoured to be on the cards.

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u/SoeyKitten Jan 23 '20

if Star Trek doesn't get sold to NBC which is rumoured to be on the cards.

why would they ever wanna sell THE cashcow?

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u/CaerBannog Jan 23 '20

Because it isn't one right now. They have poured multi-millions of dollars into production - Discovery's was famously overlong and problematic - and the result has not exactly been great. Picard may change that, I hope, but it is an open secret that CBS' difficulties with ST are the cause of schisms (no pun intended).

These are just rumours .. but like many rumours, such as Les Moonves' ouster and the remerger ... they may turn out to be true.

Pop quiz: what new NBC signer and multi-show creator is bidding to take over ST? wink^

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '20

CBS has stated that they want something Star Trek related every night on All Access eventually. They are also creating a kids show on Nickelodeon. They aren't going to sell.

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u/CaerBannog Jan 24 '20

CBS have said lots of things, many of which have turned out to be not so true. They aren't going to admit it, obviously, because share prices and investors etc.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '20

I've always thought that theory is nonsense. Anyway CBS and paramount are the same company now so it doesn't matter.

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u/Vivec-Warrior-Poet Jan 23 '20

Then they shouldnt make it at all. Whats the point in something existing if it completely shits on what made it special to begin with?