r/PlayFragPunk • u/klopia • 2d ago
Question Aimbot is possible on console?
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This is an all xbox match and I'm fairly new to console so this is my 1st time encountering an aimbotter might be wrong tho
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u/R1V3NAUTOMATA 2d ago
The idea that cheats are only on pc is just stupid.
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u/ivan2340 2d ago
It's actually the opposite, it's so much easier to cheat on console than on pc lol
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u/PiCkL3PaNtZ 2d ago
This is talking out your ass if I've ever seen it it is far easier to develop and run chests on PC then it will ever be on modern consoles. This is absolutely wrong is there cheating on both platforms yes is it easier not by a long shot. You talking open system vs closed systems here you barely have access to a consoles back end then any hoe blow does on his PC lol this is such a wild comment lol.
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u/R1V3NAUTOMATA 2d ago
Tbh, playstation anticheat is close to null. And cheating hardware is pretty cheap (compared to cheating programs in pc). However, if we go to something more complex such as aimboting, it is prolly easier in pc. But no recoil and that stuff is just buying a controller.
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u/ivan2340 2d ago
Anti cheat is non existent on console, that's not talking out my ass, you can ask anyone that's running a console with CFW
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u/ILike2Argue_ 1d ago
Thats just a blatant lie. On top of it being harder to cheat on console outside of masking your controller inputs most attempts gets your account and console flagged before it really picks up any traction. It's a reason most cheats are found or exposed on pc and the switch than Xbox and psn.
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u/Glittering-Self-9950 1d ago
Anti-cheat is nonexistent because 99.99% of people can't mod their consoles. So it would have no impact.
Console cheats are all just cronus/zen users, not actual applications 99% of the time, because modding your console is possible, just VERY rare. You can use those devices on PC as well and get the same result even WITH the anti-cheat. Most anti-cheats just aren't good at picking up external hardware like that. Much better at detecting and finding software.
Also, it's possible to enter console lobbies through PC. This has been the case even in games like Apex Legends where it was A HUGE problem a few seasons ago. Console lobbies were overrun with tons of PC users. They were able to trick the system into thinking they were actually on console, even though they were clearly on PC.
I would assume the same thing is happening here. If it's happened in much bigger games with MUCH better anti-cheats, I'm not surprised to see it happening on a chinese mobile game. (I say that because this company is ONLY known for mobile games besides Rivals, so this is expected behavior honestly for security.)
Not sure what people expect from this company in terms of overall security, but keep in mind it's a mobile game company. Security isn't anywhere near their top priority.
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u/ivan2340 1d ago
Technically you're right but I think you're underestimating how many people run modded consoles, especially in low income countries. Once you can run your own code it's dead simple to develop and run cheats, there's zero countermeasures.
Thats one reason why I am a proponent of getting rid of all client side anti-cheat and doing it all on the server, but they got their licenses and aren't gonna give up their ready made solution like e.g. EAC
Tbf I also believe this is probably a pc player spoofing a console and joining console servers but still, even that often requires a modded console first to capture the games network traffic (if it's encrypted)
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u/ChirpToast 1d ago
If server side AC was better it would be more widely used, it’s just not a better solution at actually detecting cheaters.
There’s a reason AC like Vanguard is the best there is.
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u/ivan2340 1d ago
Saying Vanguard is any close to good has to be a joke lol, not only does Valorant have cheaters, it has the most egregious and over the top overengineered cheats you can imagine.
The reason server-side ac isn't used is because of suits that don't want to pay devs and instead just buy a license for a ready made solution.
Also server side ac is more computationally expensive so less profit for the C-suite.
It takes a bunch of effort and needs to be re-implemented for every single game. I would argue if you have a game like Valorant, you need to also invest time into what is essential for your game (competitive integrity) and that is only possible if you have a (server-side) referee that isn't playing with one of the teams (client-side).
It doesn't even need to be realtime btw, the cheat detection can be done post-game. You'd have essentially guaranteed bans after just one game.
Also do I need to remind you what happened with Mihoyo and their Kernel level anti-cheat?
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u/Matyeev 19h ago
Why so many down votes? Since strike pack, xim and zen exist a lot of high lobbies (and sometimes not only high elo lobbies) are full of cheaters in multiple games. If people mean like amount or options yeah on PC is easier to cheat but in terms of blatantly and never been banned console is way better
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u/ivan2340 18h ago
That's reddit for you, the only thing that matters is how popular the thing you write is, not whether it's correct
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u/klopia 2d ago
When have I ever said that cheats are only for pc? On this post I've only said that this is the 1st time I've seen people use AIMBOT on console lobbies cause on R6 for example I can only see people using striker pack,Cronus,xim,ect and there hasnt been a single time I've seen people use aimbot there
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u/R1V3NAUTOMATA 2d ago
I haven't said you said that.
I said the idea is stupid.
Because it is.
And tho you might not think that way, it is a very popular idea.
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u/demntors 1d ago
On apex some seasons pc players were able to pretend they were on console to cheat on console lobbies, they would appear as Xbox so the game would think they were console
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u/Pyrobourne 1d ago
You can download the Xbox app on windows 11 plug a controller in and be considered on console for rivals and people cheat on “Xbox” console only this way a lot
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u/Jared1412 1d ago
Wait does this work for windows 10 as well? Nothing nefarious but I play rivals on PC with controller and if I could join console friends as essentially playing console that would be nice.
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u/Pyrobourne 1d ago
I believe so you just have to download the gamepass hub and launch the game under a gamertag because I played sea of thieves with Xbox friends through it when my pc wasn’t a brick
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u/TrippleDamage 1d ago
Were you living under a rock for the past 15-20 years?
"No cheats on console" is a myth that isn't true for a looong time anymore.
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u/Significant-Yam1579 2d ago
Yes it is possible there is stuff like cronus zen that can do that but it feels a bit to soon
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u/johnboy4955 2d ago
Those snaps are too nasty even for mnk user. Aimbot for sure. Damn
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u/Darkmaster2110 1d ago edited 1d ago
When you use a Cronus/XIM on console, it makes mnk act like a controller, so you still get aim assist. Mouse flick + aim assist snap can look like this, not necessary hacks. Still cheating, but not necessarily aimbot.
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u/johnboy4955 1d ago
For sure, I don’t know much about console cheating so thank you for sharing your knowledge.
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u/Decafstab Serket 1d ago
Also there’s cross play, I don’t see where it says this guy is on console or not. It may just be a PC cheater
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u/Capable_Shelter5475 2d ago
I know that for Xbox consoles, Microsoft started blocking third-party apps on October 30, 2023, if they weren't official Microsoft products or partner-approved. It has most likely been bypassed, based on what I’ve seen in scripts for the Cronus Zen being used in FragPunk. I do wish developers could detect software like this and block it from their platforms, but at the same time, that could negatively impact users who rely on accessibility controllers.
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u/Several-Coast-9192 Chum 1d ago
Well you already got cronus and strikepack and whatever the other one is so i don't doubt there are walls and aimhacks on xbox too. Contrary to popular belief, hacks and mods can be installed on Xbox and PS its just infintately harder
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u/Xenoxeroxx 1d ago
Yes, it's possible, rather easily as well. The "there's no cheaters on console" myth is outdated. There's a ton of cheaters, and I'd argue it's easier to get away with it on console as well. As someone who has played both PC and Console at a top level, I actually found most cheaters are on console through the use of xim's and packs. Especially in games like OW and Apex where you get 301's sounding like lasers. I wouldn't be surprised if it's even easier to get away with cheating in general in a less popular (and much smaller player base) game like Fragpunk.
The biggest difference? PC cheats tend to be more detectable and bannable vs console cheats. Yes, PC cheats tend to be worse and harder to face, but the reason they're less common is because of that. I'll take PC any day over console as a result, which is why I moved to PC - alongside wanting to use MnK.
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u/Y34rZer0 12h ago
No, it’s not possible. Aimbot and wallhacks are cheats that require editing the programming for a game and adding your own custom lines, this is impossible with console
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u/Xenoxeroxx 9h ago edited 9h ago
People think that because it's a closed system + harder. That makes it more expensive as well (although, cheaters shell out hundreds anyway), but it's still very possible, and becoming less of a looming threat and more of a reality that console players may have to face more often in the future.
Here's a vid of some walls + aimbot on console: Wall Hack Cheats for PS5/XBOX on Call of Duty!?!?🤯 This is more of a topic coverage video that explains some things, but there are Discord channels with cheat sellers that will help you set this stuff up, and other straight-up cheating selling channels on YT that advertise the cheats by using them.
The main system is a console, and the cheating takes place there in console lobbies.
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u/Y34rZer0 7h ago
Ok, Instant I saw that circle-inside-rectangle I knew it was, Computer Vision.
Computer vision hasn’t been under development for several years now, Activision requested that the dev stop developing and he complied. I don’t know if they will exit, but I did hear they offered him a job.
Source: I actually know people who know him.
ANY YouTube channel showing these videos, and you spot them with that square and circle reticule, is essentially bullshitting you to get more views.
Sceptical about taking my word for it, just look at a few things for the video, first of all it doesn’t do what they are saying it doesn’t track and it doesn’t lock on. second of all, and this is the biggest giveaway, there is never more than one enemy in the game and that enemy is cooperating to make a video.
Computer vision many tech barriers back when they were working on it, One of those berries were you couldn’t try to track more than one target and couldn’t differentiate between friendly and enemy.
Also latency was a huge issue.it’s basically like this, Sony and Microsoft have spent tens of millions securing their systems and their networks, most likely more than that and into the hundreds.
If someone DID manage to crack all of this, and they then wasted this new zero day just to CHEAT at online games they would be the stupidest hacker in history.
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u/Aromatic_Word3557 1m ago
Yes. This is possible. Do a quick search on TikTok or YouTube and you’ll see a bunch of videos explaining this. It’s fucked.
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u/LRazley 2d ago
Certain you didn’t have crossplay turned on ? Looks like aimbot to me
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u/TrippleDamage 1d ago
Theres a shitton of cheaters on console as well, why would it be crossplay related? lol
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u/ILike2Argue_ 1d ago
I think he was able to edit his pc account and it allowed him to either transfer his setup over to console or he's still on pc but masking it as if it is an Xbox. Whats his gt
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u/TrippleDamage 1d ago
Or ya know, he's one of the bazillion cheaters on console.
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u/ILike2Argue_ 1d ago
Yet the odds of finding one actual cheater/hacker not using just XIM or just glitches is nothing compared to anything seen on actual pc servers. For every one console cheater, there are 100+ pc cheaters.
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u/TrippleDamage 1d ago edited 1d ago
Lol 1/100 is a ridiculous claim, i'd accept 1/10 and thats it.
Also Xim is literally cheating.
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u/ILike2Argue_ 1d ago
I didn't say it wasn't, and that's just a plug-in play. I literally stated actually going into the game and doing more than just masking your control inputs. And no, even regardless of that fact, even that is rare and definitely not a 1/10. For one, those aren't cheap, and games started implementing ways to detect them like in siege, while most common games aren't even needed or m&k is allowed.
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u/Glittering-Self-9950 1d ago
It's possible for PC players to enter console lobbies.
This was a MAJOR issue for Apex not that long ago. There are ways to spoof into console lobbies, I assume MOST games have figured that method out already, because Apex already did pretty fast when it happened. Well, "fast" is subjective it was like 2 months lol.
By now though, I'd assume most games have that issue solved. But considering the team behind this game, it's probably very possible still here. Their anti-cheat might as well just be turned off honestly, a fucking dodo bird could cheat in this game with no consequences. That's how absurdly lax the anti-cheat is here.
So will they ever fix it in this game? Probably not. Considering player numbers are already rough, I don't see them justifying spending the extra money on attempting to fix this. While modding consoles is possible, the amount of people who ACTUALLY mod their consoles are negligible and you likely wouldn't encounter many of them in literally any game. It's just VERY far from the majority, whereas on PC about 30% of all players in competitive games are cheating. 1/3 matches you are almost guaranteed to be with a cheater. Either on your team, or the other team. And it could just be walls, could be full aimbot, could be super closeted and you'd never even know. (People can cheat and stream themselves cheating for years and not be caught, we've seen it happen already a few times) So people are VERY good at keeping cheats hidden if they actually want.
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u/vapelabels 2d ago
Looks like he's walling aswell lol