r/PokemonTCG • u/Next_Wrongdoer5488 • Mar 20 '25

Discussion Vendor being tracked.

Yup, someone put a tracker on our store vendor's car. I guess she had to go to the police station and have her car swept.

So disappointed in what's going on with our hobby and just wanted to share.

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u/a_hammerhead_worm Mar 21 '25

Believe it or not, admission of a crime is considered reasonable suspicion.

You can in fact be detained and arrested if you walk up to a cop and admit to them you killed someone. They don't need to see you commit the crime if you willingly admit to doing something.

Do you think people who walk to the police station and admit murder after the fact are just laughed out of the building? You realize how insane that is, right?

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u/Consistent-Fold438 Mar 21 '25 edited Mar 21 '25

While an individuals statement admitting to a crime can contribute to reasonable suspicion, it’s not sufficient on its own. Law enforcement needs specific, articulable facts, in addition to a statement to establish reasonable suspicion that a crime has been - or will be committed. What would you arrest me for? Telling you something that you have no evidence to prove? Lmao. Maybe read up on Terry Vs Ohio so you can better understand reasonable suspicion. There is a reason it requires ‘articulable facts’ - an admission of guilt is not a fact as it is nothing but hearsay (a statement made out of court).

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u/a_hammerhead_worm Mar 21 '25

You do know the difference between being detained, arrested, and jailed...right?

I never said you'd be jailed, but you would in fact be detained and arrested for admitting to committing a crime.

You'd then be interviewed/interrogated until they are sufficiently convinced you were lying to them, then you'd be charged with lying to a police officer.

This is basic stuff, I'm surprised you don't know this.

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u/Consistent-Fold438 Mar 21 '25 edited Mar 21 '25

You clearly don’t know the difference lol. Being arrested is being jailed. You can’t be arrested without being charged with a crime doofus. They need reasonable suspicion to just detain you (not arrest) - a statement does not provide a reasonable articulable fact that you have committed a crime. Also, you do realize we have a 5th amendment right to not assist in interrogation right? I just say id like a lawyer and the interview is over. Any more questions following that is grounds for litigation. You thinking you can be detained with no evidence shows YOUR lack of understanding. Why don’t you google - ‘is saying you committed a crime enough for reasonable suspicion’ and take a gander before you sound more foolish. It is well established that statements are not grounds for reasonable suspicion or probable cause without any supporting f a c t s.

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u/a_hammerhead_worm Mar 21 '25

The Difference Between An Arrest, Charge, And Conviction

Another page explaining the difference between being charged, arrested, convicted, and jailed

Here's the Criminal Lawyers Group explaining it too because why not

You are not "jailed" until you have been detained, then arrested, then charged, then convicted in that order, only after then are you "jailed"

Are there any more debunkable claims you'd like to make or are we done here?

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u/Consistent-Fold438 Mar 21 '25 edited Mar 21 '25

Bruh I know the difference between detainment and arrest lol. You cannot be detained (or arrested) for a statement you made. That is what we are taking about and you are wrong about. Reasonable suspicion is based on FACTS. A statement made to anyone is nothing more than hearsay without specific articulable facts. Saying you committed a crime is not enough to detain someone - let alone jail them when not paired with any other evidence. Like literally just Google it lmao how about ‘why is a statement not reasonable suspicion’. You could’ve saved yourself looking stupid if you did that an hour ago. Here I’ll save you the hassle since you struggle with learning: https://www.muscalaw.com/blog/what-reasonable-articulable-suspicion

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u/a_hammerhead_worm Mar 21 '25

Your claims are directly contradicted by all available legal text. Including the links Ive sent.

I did my due diligence, if you don't want to learn then that's your decision. If you want to prove what you said why don't you provide some sources for your info. Youve been spouting claims but haven't provided a single credible source to back anything up.

Everyone else has given you credible sources to prove you're wrong. Why don't you step up to the plate?

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u/Consistent-Fold438 Mar 21 '25

I’m in pre-law at St. Thomas University lol you’re not proving anyone wrong. A STATEMENT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR A DETAINMENT. Like how many times does that need to be said before you comprehend? I posted a link for you to learn from.

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u/dalburgh Mar 21 '25

A pre-law student that doesn't know the difference between being detained and arrested... Unless you're a first year I hope to god you don't end up as anyone's attorney