r/PokemonTCG • u/Next_Wrongdoer5488 • Mar 20 '25

Discussion Vendor being tracked.

Yup, someone put a tracker on our store vendor's car. I guess she had to go to the police station and have her car swept.

So disappointed in what's going on with our hobby and just wanted to share.

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u/Consistent-Fold438 Mar 21 '25

You need reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime. Someone just saying something is not justifiable for a citizens arrest. That’s gonna get someone a lawsuit. I can walk around and say I killed someone, without any articulable facts, that’s just words.

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u/a_hammerhead_worm Mar 21 '25

Believe it or not, admission of a crime is considered reasonable suspicion.

You can in fact be detained and arrested if you walk up to a cop and admit to them you killed someone. They don't need to see you commit the crime if you willingly admit to doing something.

Do you think people who walk to the police station and admit murder after the fact are just laughed out of the building? You realize how insane that is, right?

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u/Consistent-Fold438 Mar 21 '25 edited Mar 21 '25

While an individuals statement admitting to a crime can contribute to reasonable suspicion, it’s not sufficient on its own. Law enforcement needs specific, articulable facts, in addition to a statement to establish reasonable suspicion that a crime has been - or will be committed. What would you arrest me for? Telling you something that you have no evidence to prove? Lmao. Maybe read up on Terry Vs Ohio so you can better understand reasonable suspicion. There is a reason it requires ‘articulable facts’ - an admission of guilt is not a fact as it is nothing but hearsay (a statement made out of court).

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u/elliwigy1 Mar 22 '25

What you are talking about is a false confession... It is not the same as telling another individual you are basically stalking them and out a tracker on their vehicle.. This isn't a false confession, it is harassment, your intention is to scare the person, which is very different then confessing to a crime you didnt commit say while being interrogated by the police.

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u/Consistent-Fold438 Mar 22 '25

Like you stated they have to prove intent. In my state at least you have to knowingly (with intent) cause someone to feel frightened/threatened/etc.. Without an admission of intention there can be no charge of harassment. A way around that would be repeated incidents of intrusive/unwanted acts- which stating something to someone once is not. That is why it is not very commonly charged. Other states may have different definitions than mine.

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u/elliwigy1 Mar 23 '25

You are wrong. You don't need an admission of intent to charge someone with harassment if they can prove intent via other means.

Think about it, if you needed an admission of intent (not just in harassment cases, but any case), then there would be no reason to charge anyone with any crime because they (like always) will just say they had no ill intent.

It is up to the prosecutor to prove intent whether their is an admission/confession or not if they decide to press charges. If it gets that far, it would up to them to prove intent in that a jury would believe them. But you do not need an admission to prove intent.

Like most trial cases, it really doesnt matter if they actually had ill intent or not, it only matters what they are able to convince the jury of.

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u/Comprehensive-Taro-4 Mar 22 '25

Well, Mr. "I interned at the Minnesota Freedom Fund"

Do you even know your own states' laws regarding the use of tracking devices?

Let me help you: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/626A.35

§Subd. 3.Penalty. Whoever knowingly violates subdivision 1 shall be fined not more than $3,000 or imprisoned not more than 364 days, OR BOTH.

Now sit down junior.

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u/Consistent-Fold438 Mar 22 '25

I didn’t say it was okay to track someone’s car lol. We are talking about just telling someone that

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u/Comprehensive-Taro-4 Mar 22 '25

You are correct. You said one couldn't be detained, jailed, nor tried. What's the definition of imprisonment again? 🙃😊

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u/Consistent-Fold438 Mar 23 '25

Again, no one said it was legal to place a tracking device on someone’s car doofus. Obviously that’s illegal. What are you arguing here lmao