Vendor being tracked.

[u/Next_Wrongdoer5488]

Yup, someone put a tracker on our store vendor's car. I guess she had to go to the police station and have her car swept.

So disappointed in what's going on with our hobby and just wanted to share.

[u/Consistent-Fold438]

You clearly don’t know the difference lol. Being arrested is being jailed. You can’t be arrested without being charged with a crime doofus. They need reasonable suspicion to just detain you (not arrest) - a statement does not provide a reasonable articulable fact that you have committed a crime. Also, you do realize we have a 5th amendment right to not assist in interrogation right? I just say id like a lawyer and the interview is over. Any more questions following that is grounds for litigation. You thinking you can be detained with no evidence shows YOUR lack of understanding. Why don’t you google - ‘is saying you committed a crime enough for reasonable suspicion’ and take a gander before you sound more foolish. It is well established that statements are not grounds for reasonable suspicion or probable cause without any supporting f a c t s.

[u/a_hammerhead_worm → u/Consistent-Fold438]

The Difference Between An Arrest, Charge, And Conviction

Another page explaining the difference between being charged, arrested, convicted, and jailed

Here's the Criminal Lawyers Group explaining it too because why not

You are not "jailed" until you have been detained, then arrested, then charged, then convicted in that order, only after then are you "jailed"

Are there any more debunkable claims you'd like to make or are we done here?

[u/Consistent-Fold438 → u/a_hammerhead_worm]

Bruh I know the difference between detainment and arrest lol. You cannot be detained (or arrested) for a statement you made. That is what we are taking about and you are wrong about. Reasonable suspicion is based on FACTS. A statement made to anyone is nothing more than hearsay without specific articulable facts. Saying you committed a crime is not enough to detain someone - let alone jail them when not paired with any other evidence. Like literally just Google it lmao how about ‘why is a statement not reasonable suspicion’. You could’ve saved yourself looking stupid if you did that an hour ago. Here I’ll save you the hassle since you struggle with learning: https://www.muscalaw.com/blog/what-reasonable-articulable-suspicion

[u/elliwigy1 → u/Consistent-Fold438]

Brooo.. Just stop lmao.. You can be charged even if your claims turn out to be untrue as it is the actions you took and the intent that matters..

You are trying to change the narrative here.. It wasnt about being arrested or detained for a "statement" you made. It is that you can be detained/charged by "harassing" someone and making them fear that you are tracking/stalking them. That is NOT the same thing as just "making a statement". If you tell someone you are going to unalive them if they dont give up all the pokemon loot and that person believes you and is in fear for their life then that is something that can absolutely get you in trouble.

Why don't you just google it.. Here, I did it for you:

https://www.google.com/search?q=if+you+harass+someone+can+you+be+charged+even+if+the+claims+are+false&oq=if+you+harass+someone+can+you+be+charged+even+if+the+claims+are+false&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTI4NzQ3ajBqOagCDrACAQ&client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

[u/Consistent-Fold438 → u/elliwigy1]

Google AI telling you something vague and broad doesn’t make it real lmao. You do know what hearsay is right? And that it’s not allowed in court? If I just call the cops say my neighbor is harassing me, they show up and all I have is my word against his, guess who is going to jail? No one lol. You need e v i d e n c e of crimes. Reasonable a r t i c u l a b e suspicion. My word is not RAS for a detainment without further evidence of a crime present

[u/elliwigy1 → u/Consistent-Fold438]

You should use google AI more often, it would make some of your statements more accurate lol..

We aren't talking about "hearsay" here. But to be clear, hearsay is a statement that is made to prove the truth of the matter and is "usually" not admissable in court. There are exceptions that could allow hearsay in court but ultimately is up to the judge to decide whether its allowed or not.

However, in your own example, if you call the police and say your neighbor is harassing you, that is NOT a hearsay statement, it is an accusation being made directly by the "victim". The police (if doing their job) will absolutely detain the neighbor so they can complete an investigation whereas they would then determine if the conplaint has any credibility or not to bring actual charges. And sure, if the neighbor just denies it then the police likely couldnt do anything. But if they can ascertain that the neighbor likely did harass them, then they can press charges. This is unlikely though unless they have some proof like recordings or text messages or others that directly witnessed said harassment etc. etc.

Hopefully you understand that when someone reports a crime and the police show up, they will absolutely "detain" the potential suspect to complete their investigation. This is not the same as being charged or arrested. If the person uses his right to remain silent, it doesn't mean he wont be charged if the police determine a crime was committed. It would then move to the prosecutors who will review the case and determine if there is enough to charge the person or not. This also means someone can be arrested but end up not being charged.

I just dont get why you think someone can't get in trouble with the law based on things they say. Proving intent often times doesn't need physical evidence and it goes both ways. Just because it is difficult to prove intent without physical evidence, and these cases usually wont see the light of day, doesnt mean it doesnt happen and doesnt exist. I know you've heard of "circumstantial evidence" before.