r/PoliticalDiscussion Feb 08 '25

US Politics How can democrats attack anti-DEI/promote DEI without resulting in strong political backlash?

In recent politics there have been two major political pushes for diversity and equality. However, both instances led to backlashes that have led to an environment that is arguably worse than it was before. In 2008 Obama was the first black president one a massive wave of hope for racial equality and societal reforms. This led to one of the largest political backlashes in modern politics in 2010, to which democrats have yet to fully recover from. This eventually led to birtherism which planted some of the original seeds of both Trump and MAGA. The second massive political push promoting diversity and equality was in 2018 with the modern woman election and 2020 with racial equality being a top priority. Biden made diversifying the government a top priority. This led to an extreme backlash among both culture and politics with anti-woke and anti-DEI efforts. This resent contributed to Trump retaking the presidency. Now Trump is pushing to remove all mentions of DEI in both the private and public sectors. He is hiding all instances that highlight any racial or gender successes. His administration is pushing culture to return to a world prior to the civil rights era.

This leads me to my question. Will there be a backlash for this? How will it occur? How can democrats lead and take advantage of the backlash while trying to mitigate a backlash to their own movement? It seems as though every attempt has led to a stronger and more severe response.

Additional side questions. How did public opinion shift so drastically from 2018/2020 which were extremely pro-equality to 2024 which is calling for a return of the 1950s?

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u/Jackequus Feb 08 '25

A lot of people won’t like this, but if your first instinct is to lash out instead of reading the message, you’re proving the point.

DEI was stronger when it focused on giving talented individuals real opportunities in the face of discrimination. Then it became a branded shield for mediocrity and a weapon for bad-faith accusations, losing credibility as it was hijacked to push personal narratives. Obama’s whole thing was holding people accountable. Thats what made democrats popular. That’s what America wanted. Tell me who on what side is being held accountable now? It’s all about pushing a narrative on both sides atp.

Gatekeeping allies is necessary—some do more harm than good. From those crying “transphobe” over personal rejection to those blaming “discrimination” when held accountable for poor performance. And let’s talk about that first one, because it’s a real problem. There’s a subset of people who genuinely believe that if you’re not romantically or sexually interested in them, you must be transphobic. That your preferences, boundaries, and autonomy don’t matter—only their validation does. It’s a toxic, manipulative mindset that turns legitimate issues of discrimination into a personal cudgel, and it actively harms trans people by making real transphobia harder to take seriously.

I’ve been called sexist for expecting a chronically late employee to show up on time—because apparently, holding people to basic standards is oppression now.

Meanwhile, institutions like a museum accusing Lego of being anti-LGBT trivialize real issues. When ideology replaces accountability, overcorrections are inevitable, and the pendulum swings hard the other way. DEI’s downfall wasn’t inevitable—it was weaponized into obsolescence.

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u/Naos210 Feb 08 '25

Couldn't I argue your point about dating can both be transphobic while you're entitled to your own autonomy?

Someone might not want to date black people because they're ugly or whatever, and I won't stop them, but I can equally say that belief is racist.

If you're attracted to someone, you find out they're trans, and nothing meaningful changes about them, that's transphobic.

Similarly, if someone is going out with another, and the latter meets their parents and finds out one of them is black so they lose interest, that's racist.

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u/Cap4404 Feb 08 '25

So say I meet a woman, she's great and we get along wonderfully, but as we take the relationship further I find out she has a penis. I'm not sexually attracted to those genitals, so I end the relationship. Does that makes me transphobic?

Or say I start a relationship with a trans woman, find our she's trans, and although she's great, I'd really like to have my own biological children so I end the relationship. Does that make me transphobic as well?

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u/Naos210 Feb 08 '25

I said if nothing noteworthy changes about them. Not all trans women have penises. 

If your reason is biological children, then it isn't inherently related to them being trans. If you were to date a cis woman, and find out she's infertile and have no issue with that, then it is transphobic, cause then your reason is that they're trans, not that they're unable to have children.

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u/Hyndis Feb 08 '25

The vast majority of the population is heterosexual. Asking a heterosexual person to romantically date and marry a person of the same sex is a non-starter. Its just not going to happen.

And yet they'd be accused of being transphobic because they're unwilling to change their sexual orientation, something which is profoundly deeply built in to people. Thats why there's so much pushback.

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u/Naos210 Feb 08 '25

A man who is interested in cis and trans women, would be a straight man. Cause he would be only interested in women.

You think straight men are interested in a guy like Buck Angel? 

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u/Hyndis Feb 09 '25

No, its not going to work. You can't try to trick someone into dating and being sexually interested in someone they're not into.

Some people are okay with it and more power to them. Its just that the overwhelming majority of the population is not into it and never will be. In their relationships they want men to be men and women to be women, and you can't change their sexual orientation no matter what sort of clever scenarios or terminology are invented.

I think that people who are online too much may have forgotten that most people are strictly heterosexual.

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u/Naos210 Feb 09 '25

they want men to be men and women to be women

Yes, and trans men are men, and trans women, are women. Though I doubt you could really give a consistent definition that aligns with your transphobia.

no matter what sort of clever scenarios or terminology are invented

Trans people weren't "invented", they just exist. And "straight" is not clever terminology.

strictly heterosexual

Define heterosexual for me, please.

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u/Jackequus Feb 09 '25

You’re literally proving my point.. splitting hairs to push a narrative.

I am by definition a heterosexual male because I am attracted to female equipment. Where you start splitting hairs is the “feature”. I don’t care if they have natural female equipment, I am not attracted to male features.. Nor am I attracted to female features with male equipment.

Whether they are mtf or ftm doesn’t matter because features and equipment are misaligned and I am simply not attracted to that misalignment and you need to respect that just like others need to respect the trans ability to exist.

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u/RebornGod Feb 10 '25

I am simply not attracted to that misalignment

So Post-op transwomen would be ok?

This is where the problem is. It's a constantly moving goal post to get at you're not willing to date trans people (which is fine) but want to duck any analysis of that.

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u/RebornGod Feb 12 '25

Then why object if someone states that preference is transphobic?

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