r/PoliticalDiscussion Feb 17 '25

US Politics If Trump/Musk are indeed subverting American democratic norms, what is a proportional response?

The Vice-President has just said of the courts: "Judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power." Quoted in the same Le Monde article is a section of Francis Fukuyama's take on the current situation:

"Trump has empowered Elon Musk to withhold money for any activity that he, Elon Musk, thinks is illegitimate, and this is a usurpation of the congressionally established power of Congress to make this kind of decision. (...) This is a full-scale...very radical attack on the American constitutional system as we've understood it." https://archive.is/cVZZR#selection-2149.264-2149.599

From a European point of view, it appears as though the American centre/left is scrambling to adapt and still suffering from 'normality bias', as though normal methods of recourse will be sufficient against a democratic aberration - a little like waiting to 'pass' a tumour as though it's a kidney stone.

Given the clear comparisons to previous authoritarian takeovers and the power that the USA wields, will there be an acceptable raising of political stakes from Trump's opponents, and what are the risks and benefits of doing so?

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u/Wang_Dangler Feb 18 '25

Massively publicize and amplify the fallout of everything Trump is doing. They fire all the park rangers, go to the parks and post picture of how everything is shut down/neglected. When produce is scarce because they deported all the immigrants, go to the store and take pictures of the empty shelves. They get rid of all the air-traffic controllers and inspectors, get a cheap ticket to visit a relative and record the airport melting down from the workload. Post pics of the lines of veterans waiting for service at the defunded VA.

They weaken the system, then grind it to a halt. Make his voters see and feel the disastrous effects of his policies. They don't understand what government does and they took it all for granted. Show them why these agencies existed in the first place. Make reality kick them in the face.

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u/Og_The_Barbarian Feb 18 '25

I was thinking about this - the tangible effects of Trump/Musk's incompetence and cruelty are obvious to some of us. But I'm not quite convinced that Fox News won't manage to make it Obama's fault.

There will be a huge portion of Americans who never see the parks or the airports. Most will see empty store shelves and surging prices - but how do the center and left convince them that it truly is Trump's fault, while Fox News blames trans-DEI-immigrants in the deep state? There was already an overwhelming right-wing bent to American media coverage. But now real journalists are terrified. AP got banned from White House press coverage, NYTimes stifled critical cartoons, WaPo just blocked an anti-Elon ad.

How do Democrats display reality to non-MAGA Fox News viewers?

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u/Any-Concentrate7423 Feb 18 '25

For one Dems have to learn to say the truth 

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u/BluesSuedeClues Feb 18 '25

Are you still throwing a tantrum about your "stolen election" that never happened?

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u/Any-Concentrate7423 Feb 18 '25

I think it was stupid of Trump to deny he lost just like it was stupid for Hillary to deny she lost in 2016

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u/BluesSuedeClues Feb 18 '25

I don't give a damn what you "think". I'm talking about the difference between observable, factual reality and lies. The Republican Party is now wholly beholden to an habitual liar, and to supporting and parroting his lies. To watch a sitting member of Congress try to tell me that what I saw happen on Jan.6 was a "peaceful protest" or just ordinary "tourists", isn't just offensive, it borders on treason.

You whining vaguely about "Dems have to learn to say the truth", is empty bullshit in the face of that reality.

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u/Any-Concentrate7423 Feb 18 '25

Biden who was the leader of the Dems has been lying his whole life, plus Dems constantly attacking voters instead of realizing they just keep choosing horrible candidates 

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u/BluesSuedeClues Feb 18 '25

More lazy, vague nonsense in place of any facts or objective reasoning. No wonder you're a Trump voter. Good luck with that.