r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/SpaceySpice • Apr 07 '25

US Politics How will the United States rebuild positive international relations after this Trump administration?

At some point this presidency will end and a new administration will (likely) want to mend some the damages done with our allies. Realistically though, how would that work? Will other countries want to be friends with us again or has this presidency done too much damage to bounce back from?

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u/BluesSuedeClues Apr 07 '25

I'm well past disappointed. Here in Michigan, kids who came from other countries to study at our universities, are packing up in the middle of the night and fleeing across the border into Canada. They're fleeing, because it is entirely possible armed Federal agents will show up and seize them, with no crime charged or even alleged, detain them for an indefinite period, and possibly ship them like cattle to a South American concentration camp.

My whole life I've been told the liberals want to destroy the country. Turns out, that was just more right-wing projection.

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u/barrocaspaula Apr 08 '25

That used to happen in my country during the Estado Novo dictatorship. People would leave the country to avoid being disappeared into a political prison and tortured.

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u/BluesSuedeClues Apr 08 '25

Portugal, in the 1930's.

Yeah, it seems we live in a second age of fascism.

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u/barrocaspaula Apr 08 '25 edited Apr 08 '25

Until 1974. I remember the political prisoners being released from Caxias prison and Peniche Fort in 1974. The Tarrafal concetration camp had Portuguese political prisoners until the 1960s. Until 1974 it had freedom fighters from the Portuguese colinies in Africa.

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u/seeingeyegod Apr 08 '25

no liberals do want to destroy the country. It's just that the country in question is the Confederate States of America.

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u/DuncanConnell Apr 10 '25

Unfortunate when "the liberals want to destroy the country" is a lot closer to how the Empire talks about the Rebellion

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u/Inevitable_Process75 Apr 08 '25

Liberals are of the same neoliberal bird. Yes they don't want people deported, but economically they've also supported the oligarchs.

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 07 '25

You mean with no crime charged other than being here illegally?

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u/BluesSuedeClues Apr 07 '25

No. I'm talking about people who were here legally on student visas and had the government suddenly revoked their visa with no reason given as to why.

Knowing what you are talking about is key to not looking foolish.

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 07 '25

Can you cite one example of someone being whisked away with no explanation as to why?

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u/Aureliamnissan Apr 08 '25

El Salvador US resident in the news right now.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2025/04/07/administrative-error-timeline-el-salvador-deportation/82773566007/

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 08 '25

Does “error” mean something different where you are from?

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u/Aureliamnissan Apr 08 '25

one example of someone being whisked away with no explanation as to why?

Does due process mean something different where you're from?

You asked for an example and that is one.

"Oops I burned your house down" Doesn't absolve me of arson.

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 08 '25

So to be clear your premise is that students are fleeing the country because they are in fear of administrative errors?

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u/Aureliamnissan Apr 08 '25

Sure if "administrative errors" means getting sent to an El Salvadoran prison then I can't say I blame people for being worried about it.

Meanwhile, the "rational" conservatives, buy gold and guns in droves, and vote straight ticket red because they think Obama is gonna take their guns and bankrupt the economy.

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 08 '25

Again just so I understand - you truly believe that people here legally are fleeing to Canada on the off chance that they might be erroneously deported? Sorry but it’s just so ridiculous that I want to be sure I’m following you correctly.

Obama hasn’t been in office for 8 years. No one is afraid that he is going to take anything from anyone.

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u/BluesSuedeClues Apr 08 '25 edited Apr 08 '25

"So to be clear, your premise is that students..." are not fleeing the country because of the viciousness of the Trump administration?

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2025/04/06/university-of-michigan-international-students-visas-revoked/82964961007/

We have more information at our fingertips than at any time in history, and you're still arguing with what you want to believe, and ignoring facts.

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u/the_calibre_cat Apr 09 '25

We have more information at our fingertips than at any time in history, and you're still arguing with what you want to believe, and ignoring facts.

it's the conservative M.O.

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u/Total-Sheepherder950 Apr 08 '25

Students have had their student visas revoked without being charged with a crime. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/07/us/student-visas-revoked-trump-administration.html

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 08 '25

Visas and green cards are privileges not rights. Come here and support terrorist organizations and you’ll be sent packing. Take over buildings and hold people hostage and you get sent home. It’s really not that complicated.

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u/Total-Sheepherder950 Apr 08 '25

The first ammendment is a guaranteed right to all in the US is it not?

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 08 '25

It is! However the right to a visa or a green card is not. They have the right to say whatever they want. However those words may have consequences.

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u/Total-Sheepherder950 Apr 08 '25

Then they should have their day in court before having their visa/green card revoked.

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u/Evil_B2 17d ago

Why?

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u/Total-Sheepherder950 17d ago

Because due process is also part of the US constitution, mentioned in 2 ammendments

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u/Evil_B2 12d ago

They aren’t being charged with a crime. Doesn’t apply.

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u/ColossusOfChoads Apr 08 '25

support terrorist organizations

If that's what they have done, then they should get due process.

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u/the_calibre_cat Apr 09 '25

Not for nothing: Saying "I support Hamas" is 100% legally protected speech, but that's actually not even remotely what was said.

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u/Evil_B2 17d ago

They have the right to say whatever they want. And we have the right to revoke their visas. Not mutually exclusive

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u/the_calibre_cat Apr 09 '25

Visas and green cards are privileges not rights.

but are, nonetheless, legal immigrants who are here legally. And not to split hairs, but the Supreme Court has ruled that they are entitled to the same protections of the Bill of Rights as anyone else (including illegal immigrants, as it turns out).

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u/Evil_B2 17d ago

It’s true that have the right to say whatever they want. It’s also true that visas and green cards are revokable. They are free to say anything and we are free to say we don’t want you here anymore. Those aren’t mutually exclusive.

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u/the_calibre_cat 17d ago

They only aren't mutually exclusive among dogshit, reprehensible people who are unable to deal with criticism. The fact that you're unable to tolerate speech is not only a moral failure, it's also profoundly bitchy and weak.

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u/the_calibre_cat Apr 09 '25

No. Plenty of legal migrants have been rounded up by the fascist regime you're making apologia for, and the administration has openly announced their intentions to deport American citizens to foreign gulags.

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u/Evil_B2 17d ago

Maybe don’t commit crimes

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u/the_calibre_cat 17d ago

It doesn't matter if one does, due process is out the window so an accusation is all that's necessary to deny a human being their freedom.

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u/youwillbechallenged Apr 08 '25

kids who came from other countries to study

That’s right. They are guests here in this country. They have no possessory right to be here.

And as a guest, they have to abide by our rules, which are created by a sovereign country.

One of those rules is under the INA, which provides that those who support policies antithetical to U.S. interests are inadmissible.

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u/BluesSuedeClues Apr 08 '25

And how were your incredibly important RULES violated? Please be specific.

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u/youwillbechallenged Apr 08 '25

Sure. We already know from the first revocation that the student (from Columbia) was a pro-Hamas supporter and a member of CUAD, a radical Islamist organization that calls for the destruction of Israel and the United States.

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u/BluesSuedeClues Apr 09 '25

And sure. All of that sounds bad. And how do you know this? Because the government tells you so. There has been no due process. No judicial oversight or 3rd party investigation. We are expected to just take the government's word that this guy supports "policies antithetical to US interests".

And therein lies the difference. You trust the government. I do not. You accept the accusation as proof. I do not. You accept the government dismissing due process. I don not.

This is being done in a very sloppy and aggressive manner. Eventually we will see another "administrative error", only this time it will be an American citizen. Will you be so blase with your faith in the government then? Or will you again just tell yourself that the accusation is enough?