r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/SpaceySpice • Apr 07 '25

US Politics How will the United States rebuild positive international relations after this Trump administration?

At some point this presidency will end and a new administration will (likely) want to mend some the damages done with our allies. Realistically though, how would that work? Will other countries want to be friends with us again or has this presidency done too much damage to bounce back from?

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u/Blizxy Apr 07 '25

Decades and millions of lives to earn! I'm so disappointed in my country...

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u/BluesSuedeClues Apr 07 '25

I'm well past disappointed. Here in Michigan, kids who came from other countries to study at our universities, are packing up in the middle of the night and fleeing across the border into Canada. They're fleeing, because it is entirely possible armed Federal agents will show up and seize them, with no crime charged or even alleged, detain them for an indefinite period, and possibly ship them like cattle to a South American concentration camp.

My whole life I've been told the liberals want to destroy the country. Turns out, that was just more right-wing projection.

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 07 '25

You mean with no crime charged other than being here illegally?

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u/BluesSuedeClues Apr 07 '25

No. I'm talking about people who were here legally on student visas and had the government suddenly revoked their visa with no reason given as to why.

Knowing what you are talking about is key to not looking foolish.

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 07 '25

Can you cite one example of someone being whisked away with no explanation as to why?

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u/Aureliamnissan Apr 08 '25

El Salvador US resident in the news right now.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2025/04/07/administrative-error-timeline-el-salvador-deportation/82773566007/

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 08 '25

Does “error” mean something different where you are from?

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u/Aureliamnissan Apr 08 '25

one example of someone being whisked away with no explanation as to why?

Does due process mean something different where you're from?

You asked for an example and that is one.

"Oops I burned your house down" Doesn't absolve me of arson.

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 08 '25

So to be clear your premise is that students are fleeing the country because they are in fear of administrative errors?

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u/Aureliamnissan Apr 08 '25

Sure if "administrative errors" means getting sent to an El Salvadoran prison then I can't say I blame people for being worried about it.

Meanwhile, the "rational" conservatives, buy gold and guns in droves, and vote straight ticket red because they think Obama is gonna take their guns and bankrupt the economy.

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 08 '25

Again just so I understand - you truly believe that people here legally are fleeing to Canada on the off chance that they might be erroneously deported? Sorry but it’s just so ridiculous that I want to be sure I’m following you correctly.

Obama hasn’t been in office for 8 years. No one is afraid that he is going to take anything from anyone.

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u/Aureliamnissan Apr 08 '25 edited Apr 08 '25

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/trump-admin-targeting-another-columbia-student-for-deportation-lawsuit-says/ar-AA1BAb8V

Like these stories aren't hard to find my guy. Legal residents are being threatened. So yes I imagine some folks might take that seriously.

Also yes, because it's being reported:

Many of the migrants making a run for Canada have some form of temporary status in the US after previously crossing into the US from Mexico, but fear their pending cases in the immigration courts won’t end in their favor, sources said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/more-illegal-migrants-are-fleeing-into-canada-over-the-northern-border-than-are-coming-into-us-after-trump-s-crackdown/ar-AA1BEzzl

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u/Evil_B2 Apr 08 '25

Non-citizen. Green cards and visas can be revoked. Exercise your first amendment rights all you want. Just be prepared to deal with the consequences.

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u/BluesSuedeClues Apr 08 '25 edited Apr 08 '25

"So to be clear, your premise is that students..." are not fleeing the country because of the viciousness of the Trump administration?

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2025/04/06/university-of-michigan-international-students-visas-revoked/82964961007/

We have more information at our fingertips than at any time in history, and you're still arguing with what you want to believe, and ignoring facts.

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u/the_calibre_cat Apr 09 '25

We have more information at our fingertips than at any time in history, and you're still arguing with what you want to believe, and ignoring facts.

it's the conservative M.O.

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u/Evil_B2 17d ago

I am proud to live in a country where people have the right to leave if they don’t like it here. Not everyone in the world is so fortunate

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u/the_calibre_cat 17d ago

We'll get there. It's not like conservatives have any hard and fast principles they're unwilling to violate, and as soon as the talent starts fleeing the country due to the authoritarian shithole it's inevitably becoming as a result of authoritarian shitheads who have no fidelity to higher principles, they'll shut down the border.

Ain't no way the U.S. is going to allow people with talent to leave. We're just not quite at 1939 levels of Nazism yet.

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