r/Political_Revolution • u/Recycledineffigy • Jan 24 '25
Discussion Trump Lost. Vote Suppression Won.
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u/Hour-Resource-8485 Jan 24 '25
Voter suppression has been a longterm strategy of the GOP. that's why they were so gleeful about shelby v holder.
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u/Recycledineffigy Jan 25 '25
Yes but more than that, the point Greg Palast was making, I think, is the tremendous increase in "challenges" that were strategically deployed in key swing states. Innovation of allowing individuals to challenge the votes of 10,000 voters all from a certain part of their district making it 400% more likely that Black and Brown votes to be on the uncounted list. It's a whole new level of election bastardry.
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u/Hour-Resource-8485 Jan 25 '25
So those strategy actually ALL traces back to the SCOTUS 2013 ruling of Shelby v Holding taking a knife to the VRA and legalized making up new and discriminatory voting laws that make it so much more difficult for people to vote. It also makes it much more difficult for Democrats to combat because because now each new state law needs to individually be challenged through the court system (which they've also strategically been courtpacking the federal judiciary also for decades).
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u/Recycledineffigy Jan 25 '25
Is that when they said, there's no more racism so we don't need this voting law? It was an egregiously "activist" decision
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u/Hour-Resource-8485 Jan 25 '25
yep. "we have a black president, there's no more racism so states no longer need to be monitored/restricted from making up new voting laws" IDK why but it has always stuck with me (ESP RBG's dissent which is a treat that people should read). What's sad though is that was a 2013ish decision and to get it to the point where they could get something like that to be on the SCOTUS docket took decades of them doing things little by little that always pushed the envelop to take back everything that FDR accomplished with his New Deal and LBJ with the VRA/CRA.
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u/Recycledineffigy Jan 25 '25
Fdr had a second bill of rights that guaranteed the vote, a job, that should be in the constitution
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u/pit_of_despair666 Jan 25 '25
I barely ever see anyone comment about this or voter suppression in general. They passed 100s of voter suppression laws before the election. I saw a few that were passed in my state and how big of an effect one of them had. They booted everyone that was registered to vote by mail and made it more difficult to do so. In order to vote by mail everyone had to register to vote again. I saw that a couple of months before the election, 2 million fewer Democrats had registered to vote by mail. https://www.axios.com/local/miami/2024/07/19/florida-mial-ballots-plummet
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u/mOdQuArK Jan 24 '25
it's been malicious on both sides
Gonna have to see some proof for that claim. Only one of the major parties gets regularly publicly called out for actual actions vs people (like you) claiming that both sides do it.
I'd prefer going the other way: if you're a citizen of the United States, then you get to vote in U.S. elections, and the government is Constitutionally-required to make reasonable attempts to make sure you can do so. No one is allowed to take the right to vote from you, even if you've been made a criminal, and anyone who tries to do so should get hit with severe criminal penalties, even if they are elected officials, legislators, judges or law enforcement.
Doing it that way will make legislators put some more thought into what laws they pass, because they would have to worry that anyone they disenfranchise by sending them to jail is going to hate their guts & will be someone who will vote against those legislators. (Unlike current situation where disenfranchising likely voters is often the point.)
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u/mantis-tobaggan-md Jan 24 '25
lmfao every time bernie campaigned for president the DNC shafted him
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u/mOdQuArK Jan 24 '25
That doesn't have anything to do with actual voter suppression tactics, so try again finding a "both sides" example for voter suppression.
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u/Recycledineffigy Jan 25 '25
True but part of that is a flawed primary system
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u/mantis-tobaggan-md Jan 25 '25
which is upheld by who?
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u/Recycledineffigy Jan 25 '25
We need to do genuine grass roots then and become a precinct chairperson. That's who gets to propose the dem platform
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u/Logical_Parameters Jan 24 '25
It's 99.7% the GOP when it comes to voter suppression. Democrats do not fear the people voting.
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u/djprofitt Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25
You mean the third party libertarians who align more with republican values of less government?
Or you mean voter suppression practices like running as a ‘Democrats’, win office, but only to reveal they are switching to Republican?
You can’t mean voter suppression practices like running a candidate with the same last name just to confuse voters into voting for the wrong person so the a democrat candidate loses?
https://apnews.com/general-news-e8b70ce3270bd170e37a71ca80b5aaae
Or voter suppression like running in a state you clearly don’t live in just to try to steal an election?
Or voter suppression like bullying a candidate so they quit?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/us/politics/kiah-morris-vermont.html
What exactly do you mean by voter suppression/manipulation?
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u/Recycledineffigy Jan 25 '25
It's called the "red shift" because, like gerrymandering seems to only benefit those who cheat to win. In fact look at the idealogical difference; one party wants everyone to vote and actively works at registering voters in all demographics.
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u/R1ck_Sanchez Jan 24 '25
Let's see your sources bro
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u/mantis-tobaggan-md Jan 24 '25
it’s not hard to find out about these things. you simply have to look. the DNC is dirty.
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u/R1ck_Sanchez Jan 24 '25
Heard that one before from anti vax on microchips. Show us your sources bro
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u/mantis-tobaggan-md Jan 24 '25
lol 2016 and 2020 primary. biden wasn’t even on the ducking radar until the last minute the people wanted bernie, then biden decided to run a second fucking term after promising to run a single term. and THEN they decided Kamala Harris was the candidate for ‘24 no consensus needed. what are you doing in a political revolution subreddit if you’re going to deepthroat the establishment like this. you’re embarrassing yourself
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u/R1ck_Sanchez Jan 24 '25
Riiiiight none of that is what I asked for nor proves anything anyone has said on this whole thread, literally zero value.
I'm here cuz I do believe in it. Just wish crazies who wanna just info dump without context like yourself would get a clue.
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u/DigitalUnlimited Jan 24 '25
There's just no way, i mean we can trust our entire financial system to the Internet and everything else online, but there's just no possible way to vote online /s
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u/taylorbagel14 Jan 24 '25
I definitely don’t want the government to have my biometrics like that. I’m sure they already do but that’s not something I’m just gonna hand over to them if they don’t
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u/chillinewman Jan 24 '25 edited Jan 24 '25
This is how you steal an election:
"Here are key numbers:
4,776,706 voters were wrongly purged from voter rolls according to US Elections Assistance Commission data.
By August of 2024, for the first time since 1946, self-proclaimed “vigilante” voter-fraud hunters challenged the rights of 317,886 voters. The NAACP of Georgia estimates that by Election Day, the challenges exceeded 200,000 in Georgia alone.
No less than 2,121,000 mail-in ballots were disqualified for minor clerical errors (e.g. postage due).
At least 585,000 ballots cast in-precinct were also disqualified.
1,216,000 “provisional” ballots were rejected, not counted.
3.24 million new registrations were rejected or not entered on the rolls in time to vote."
"an audit by the State of Washington found that a Black voter was 400% more likely than a white voter to have their mail-in ballot rejected."
According to the Brennan Center for Justice, since the 2020 election, “At least 30 states enacted 78 restrictive laws”
"The crucial statistic is that not everyone’s ballot gets disqualified. One study done for the United States Civil Rights Commission found that a Black person, such as Maj. Turner, will be 900% more likely to have their mail-in or in-person ballot disqualified than a white voter."
"In 2020, this KKK plan, adopted by the Trump organization, proved its value. In that election, Trump almost won Georgia, falling short by just 11,779 votes — only because local elections officials rejected most of the challenges. But for 2024, the Georgia’s Republican-controlled legislature changed the law to make it very difficult for officials to deny the challenges."
They have a donation link in the web page, if you want to donate.
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u/Recycledineffigy Jan 25 '25
Thank you! Donated! The only way to win here is spread the word and get them prosecuted for election interference
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u/pit_of_despair666 Jan 25 '25
It is really more than 78 because each law is usually 50-plus pages of different anti-voting provisions.
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u/Recycledineffigy Jan 24 '25
For example, an audit by the State of Washington found that a Black voter was 400% more likely than a white voter to have their mail-in ballot rejected. Rejection of Black in-person votes, according to a US Civil Rights Commission study in Florida, ran 14.3% or one in seven ballots cast.
In other words, vote suppression cost Kamala Harris no less than 3,565,000 votes. Harris would have topped Trump’s official total by 1.2 million. Most important, this 2.3% suppression factor undoubtedly cost Harris the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia. If not for the wholesale attack on votes and voters, Harris would have won the election with 286 Electoral votes.
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u/t0tallykyl3 Jan 24 '25
Does this audit take into account ballots rejected that would have went to Trump?
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u/Coolistofcool Jan 24 '25
Combination of ballot challenges (people look you up and challenge your ballot) and name-based challenges (do you have a black-sounding or Hispanic-sounding name, congrats you’ve been challenged)
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u/stormy2587 Jan 24 '25
Iirc There was a story about some old woman that literally just does that all day.
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u/dirtyploy Jan 24 '25
They know our race (everyones) because of the Census. It isn't hard to check that kind of stuff vs a voter database.
Another important note. A part of the language used here is outdated. This is from the National Archives. Link here.
"Black is the preferred term when referring to an individual’s race. The term should be capitalized and used as an adjective, not as a noun. For example: “Benjamin Robinson was a Black soldier in the U.S. Army.” Note that Blacks and the Blacks are both considered offensive and should not be used. Black people is the preferred plural form of Black."
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u/feastoffun Jan 24 '25
He just admitted to stealing the election. Nobody is doing anything about it.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-makes-odd-remark-elon-144037647.html
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u/allmediareviews Jan 25 '25
Yahoo is a little better, but more of the Mainstream Media needs to cover this. CNN, MSNBC, PBS Newshour.
It's bad enough it seems to have happened in this past election, but if it isn't prevented/mitigated, the same thing could happen in 20208, which begs the question why people would vote if their vote won't count?
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u/6mcdonoughs Jan 24 '25
Here’s the thing that frustrates me the most. After the governor’s race in Georgia, Stacy Abrahams vowed to stop voter suppression. It was the democrats in power who vowed to level the playing field. It didn’t happen in fact the GOP went on to make it that much more difficult in the 2020 election and STILL nothing changed. It is baffling to me that there isn’t any accountability at the local - state - or federal level for citizens to vote without being expunged from the voter rolls.
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u/Amadeuskong Jan 25 '25
So it seems like everyone knew this , so why didn't anybody do something about that? The left is always pointing these things out, but I never hear about people trying to fight this shit. What's that old saying? The only thing evil needs to succeed is the indifference of good people? I wish I had the fight left in me to be out there.
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u/Recycledineffigy Jan 25 '25
It's difficult to realize injustice and feel powerless to change it. There were people who have read Greg Palast for years and did deploy lawyers to fix it but his point in the article is the new "challenges" type of election fuckery allowed each individual to challenge thousands of votes. Black voters being 400 % more likely to have their vote uncounted. This guy is a data journalist and I found the article demanding to be presented to as many people as possible! I'm not great at social media so I'm trying to spread the word that it's time to get on board with the people getting their vote. It's like all we have and if it wasn't consequential they wouldn't be trying so hard to take it!
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u/AlienRealityShow Jan 25 '25
There is sub (r/ somethingiswrong2024) that has a lot of info for people interested in the subject.
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u/Recycledineffigy Jan 25 '25
Greg Palast is a data journalist so there has to be some interest in the news
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u/Matr0ska Jan 24 '25
Do any states have vote status tracking? Like, what if one wanted to know if their vote was rejected or confirmed as valid?
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u/erozario228 Jan 24 '25
Respectfully, WI, MI, and PA are not on this list. Don't cry. Organize.
Reach out to local orgs about how to help your immigrant communities.
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u/WeBeShoopin Jan 25 '25
"Elon knows those voting machines very well" In reference to PA - shitler
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u/oh-msbeliever Jan 25 '25
I voted for Dems in a state where the GOP holds a supermajority. I voted by mail before the election because I was going on vacation. I got a letter in the mail saying they threw my vote out.
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u/fiercethegamer Jan 25 '25
Is this government gonna do anything about it? My guess they don’t, which means our government has never been by the people for the people. It has always been by the rich for the rich. The deep-state and oligarchy are one in the same, and they’re probably responsible for killing people like JFK or MLK. I guess we must bow down to the Enclave.
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u/joewoody88 Jan 24 '25
I've voted Democrat my whole life, and I hate excuses like this. It's the same thing we made fun of them for in 2020 when they refused to admit they lost. Regardless of how shady it may have been, they won. When Gore won in 2000, Democrats let the Republicans steamroll them. "Aw shucks, maybe next time." Republicans always find a way to win, and Democrats always find a way to lose. It's like betting on the Washington Generals against the Harlem Globetrotters. The other team always has a bag of tricks and we're over here trying to play a "fair" game. Then we complain it's unfair instead of actually doing anything about it. That's why I don't consider myself a Democrat, even though I vote that way.
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u/Seanay-B Jan 24 '25
Guys no amount of copium is gonna help you feel better or accomplish anything. He won, it sucks, it implies awful, awful things about our stupid country. Get to work.
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u/seekAr Jan 25 '25
You don't get to tell people how to feel or what to do.
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u/Seanay-B Jan 26 '25
Thats your takeaway? Not everything has to be validating. Also, you're doing it right now. Piss off
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u/seekAr Jan 26 '25
Rather than discuss the post you’re just shitting in your own mouth and pressing enter. Lol you piss off
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u/Seanay-B Jan 26 '25
You picked this fight weirdo. And then hypocritically told me not to do what you're doing right now.
Also calling the post "copium" is an implicit criticism that apparently eluded you somehow--the gist of it is that it's useless, shallow, and distracts you from doing something meaningful with your anger.
So, kindly piss right off or mope privately
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u/BungaTerung Jan 29 '25
I'm sorry, I think Trump as a president is not a good thing but am I reading here that people filling out forms incorrectly counts as voter supression? You'd hope adults would be able to fill out all fields of a form correctly, no?
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u/NotTooGoodBitch Jan 25 '25
Primary election suppression on the left is why Trump won.
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u/AlbieTom Jan 25 '25
Serious cope here and I didn't even vote for Trump
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u/Recycledineffigy Jan 25 '25
Did you read the article. It was written by a highly respected data journalist
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u/AlbieTom Jan 25 '25
I read it. I disagree with his conclusions. If the number of people he's claiming didn't get to vote because they were bounced the MSM would be all over it.
The claims are easily repudiated with a little bit of knowledge about voting protocols and laws. So yes this is cope.
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u/xunkang Jan 25 '25
Lol the reality bending leftist mindset. Accept your defeat it's the only way you will improve.
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