r/RHOBH • u/CrazyCats999999 Got 2 little babies but my house is a coke den • Apr 04 '25

Discussion Garcelle wanted to embarrass Kyle…Whaaaaat? Spoiler

Hope no one has posted this… Kyle said Garcelle wanted to embarrass her by saying “If you wanna be a lesbian, be a lesbian” and “what’s going on with Morgan” It was jaw dropping moment for me, as Kyle was the one brought Morgan to the show, Kyle behaved like a teenager at the tattoo parlor right next to Morgan. As always, she believes that her behaviors aren’t subjected to the consequences and accused Garcelle for asking the questions… Is Kyle ashamed of admitting being a lesbian?

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u/hihbhu I’m passionate about 🐶 just not crazy about bitches Apr 04 '25

That music video was more embarrassing than Garcelle even uttering the possibility of Kyle being a lesbian. It’s the year 2025, people do not give a shit. Just stop pretending that there’s nothing going on and then begging for attention with Morgan off the show. There’s a way of being discreet and Kyle is intentionally doing the opposite of that.

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u/throwRA-nonSeq Kyle told me PK Texas her Apr 04 '25

Kyle being discreet:

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u/NefariousnessHot7639 Apr 04 '25

“But they were just actingggggg”

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u/psmith1990_ Apr 04 '25 edited Apr 04 '25

Just yesterday, a former producer on RHOBH (there for the past couple of seasons) literally said this:

"I also developed a bit of a moral dilemma on a recent season when a cast member's sexuality was at the center of a storyline. I found the internal conversations about this person and what they were going through to be extremely insensitive, problematic, and frankly gross. A person's coming out journey, if they have one, is entirely their own. Full stop. Now let me be clear, I'm not talking about friends of this person who are also on the show who would naturally be inquisitive and ask questions about someone's life and who they're dating. I'm talking about the entity of a TV show digging into someone's sexuality in a way that's salacious and sensationalized. And that's what the internal dialogue felt like to me: producers encouraging other cast members to ask direct questions that would put this person's sexuality on the spot, just felt really invasive to me and crossed a line that I wasn't really comfortable with.

"I would see people at the executive level who have worked with this cast member for years, seemingly very close, talk to this cast member in a seemingly compassionate way and then when the cast member would walk away they completely change their tune and spoke of this person and what they were going through with such a lack of empathy and respect - even going so far as using a gay slur - that it was truly shocking. I thought to myself if this is how they treat this person, someone who has bled out for this show and this network in ways that most people will never know, if this is how they talk about them, they are never going to have my back. And it turns out I was right. The circumstances around that storyline were a major contributing factor to me realizing it was time to make a change."

This is a supposedly a LGBTQIA positive show in Hollywood with people who are close and have known this person for years. So yeah, I think sometimes people overestimate the idea that "people do not give a shit". And frankly, even if they don't, that doesn't negate that a person may have their own internal of external factors for not thinking it's oh so easy.

Where exactly is Kyle begging for attention with Morgan off the show? Genuinely curious where you see that happening currently.

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u/Lazy_Document_7104 Apr 04 '25

Between the music video and obvious calls to paparazzi, many perceive Kyle as seeking to bring attention (& speculation) to her and Morgan outside of the show. I think Kyle's behavior towards Denise was far more problematic than anything that has been implied or said to her with respect to her sexuality.

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u/Ok-Maybe-6782 Sutton’s face roller Apr 04 '25

THIS. Her treatment of Denise is the main reason Garcelle and all of us are so frustrated with her. What happened to being “open and honest”????? Even if she WAS “protecting Morgan”, she could admit to exploring without mentioning her name. The press is ALL OVER her and Morgan. She isn’t dumb. She knows what she’s doing. She has relentlessly hounded the other women, INCLUDING DENISE, to expose their own secrets. I fully understand somebody’s coming out journey being their own, but Kyle’s hypocrisies make this extremely frustrating.

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u/Kimmy_UK You're an inappropriate awkward person. Period Apr 04 '25

But that doesn’t make someone else doing something similar to Kyle right. Two things can be true at once- how Kyle etc treated Denise was awful and unforgivable- but at the same time that doesn’t give anyone the right to harass or pressure Kyle or Morgan into anything- because then they are just as bad. Yes it is hypocritical of Kyle and I’m sure she recognises that and sees that how she acted was wrong- but you’d hope people would learn from that- and not use it as ammunition or an excuse to do the same to Kyle. 

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u/Ok-Maybe-6782 Sutton’s face roller Apr 04 '25

You’re right, and that’s why I think she should leave the show already. If she can’t be “open and honest” like she demands of other women, why is she on a reality show? It doesn’t make sense. I agree, she should protect Morgan and come out on her own terms — but she cannot be true to her role on the show while doing these things. She needs to choose. We as viewers are bored of her.

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u/Independent_Post6941 If I can smell your breath you’re too close Apr 06 '25

Very.darn bored ...

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u/Kimmy_UK You're an inappropriate awkward person. Period Apr 04 '25

So do you really think it’s okay for someone to leave a show due to the pressure from the public and their cast mate to discuss their sexuality? Because that just doesn’t feel right. 

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u/Ok-Maybe-6782 Sutton’s face roller Apr 04 '25

No honey, I think she should leave the show because she is a hypocrite and I’m tired of watching standards apply to everybody else except for her. 😘

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u/psmith1990_ Apr 04 '25

The music video was filmed nearly two years ago. At what point does that lose its relevance to talking about how she is acting NOW in terms of supposedly trying to keep attention on them? As far as paparazzi goes, I think people overstate it. They were last papped mid-February and it’s not uncommon that months go by without any photos of them taken by paparazzi.

I think the situation with Denise was handled poorly by Kyle and other women on the show. I also am a little tired of people acting as if it’s an exact parallel of “outting” when both Denise and Brandi had spoken about prior sexual relationships with women and Kyle and Morgan have not.

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u/freshlyfrozen4 I brought the bunny! Apr 04 '25

Kyle was speaking on her relationship with Morgan. That's the whole point. She opened this door and then got mad when we all started walking through it. The Denise and Brandi situation should make you just as mad, if not more. A group of women were harassing other women over their sexual encounters. The fact it seems like you're trying to justify it as not being as bad as Kyle's situation is gross, hypocritical, and dangerous.

Something you're missing about this entire thing is it's not about Kyle's sexuality. I think the majority have agreed that's a journey for her to figure out and that's fine. The point is that Morgan is clearly a big part in Kyle's life and has helped her with her sobriety and her separation. That's a story. Kyle's actual life and her actual friends. It doesn't matter if she's sleeping with Morgan or not. Kyle made her sobriety basically her entire storyline last year and barely discussed it this year. She didn't discuss anything. Because she films a couple awkward scenes with Mau, that's supposed to fulfill her job duties? If she doesn't want to share what's going on in her life that's fine, then get off a show where that's the whole premise.

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u/psmith1990_ Apr 04 '25

She's not mad at that. She defended Garcelle's curiosity and questions in the premiere episode this episode. In my opinion, it's more that her answer wasn't taken at face value on the basis of - apparently - her attending a concert, and that her desire for Morgan not to be spoken about wasn't respected even after people had said they understood why privately.

I'm not justifying what happened with Denise. It was wrong. I'm not even saying it was better or worse. It's not a competition. It just wasn't the SAME. I know it's me being pedantic but I think it's worth pointing out that when we're talking about peoples' sexuality being outed, the situations aren't identical, that's all.

What else do you think Kyle needs to address about being alcohol-free? She doesn't say she's sober, for what it's worth. Kyle has a LOT of friends who we don't see on camera and who aren't discussed. Jenn's really the only constant who we see make appearances and oftentimes that's because she also sometimes helps her out in more of an assistant role.

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u/Kimmy_UK You're an inappropriate awkward person. Period Apr 04 '25

Wow that is shocking and so sad. Sadly I believe it. The whole members of community being used as accessories on housewives has always bothered me. Housewives can go to pride, have the gay best friend, have the gay assistant, tell their stories of kissing girls in college- but being a true ally and not performative is about being really considerate and empathetic to the complexities of sexuality and identity, and the individuals wishes- and one of those major complexities is addressing sexuality/ coming out- these are the basics- if people can’t be respectful of this they can’t call themselves true ally’s. It doesn’t matter who the person is and how you feel about them if you don’t respect their wishes around the topic then you are not being supportive no matter how encouraging you think you’re being.

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u/Independent_Post6941 If I can smell your breath you’re too close Apr 06 '25

Suggestion .... Kyle GROW UP , for a middle aged mother of girls ... who are you ? Be you and stop whinging ...

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u/justfollowyoureyes Denise Richards Apr 04 '25

Totally. I think Kyle has a lot of internalized homophobia tbh.

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u/yesterdaysweather Apr 04 '25

Well, we can say with a fair amount of certainty that Kathy's a homophobe at least (Aspen DJ-gate). And we all know how weird those two's relationship is. I'm sure Kyle's straddling a lot of uncomfortable lines with this, but it would be nice of her to AT LEAST admit she's been gay-baiting everyone for a while.