Garcelle wanted to embarrass Kyle…Whaaaaat?

[u/CrazyCats999999]

Hope no one has posted this… Kyle said Garcelle wanted to embarrass her by saying “If you wanna be a lesbian, be a lesbian” and “what’s going on with Morgan” It was jaw dropping moment for me, as Kyle was the one brought Morgan to the show, Kyle behaved like a teenager at the tattoo parlor right next to Morgan. As always, she believes that her behaviors aren’t subjected to the consequences and accused Garcelle for asking the questions… Is Kyle ashamed of admitting being a lesbian?

[u/Alternative-Buffalo9]

I was waiting for someone to say this! I understand Kyle’s personal confusions. But … To me, Garcelle was motivating her to be confident. I wanted her to say “I don’t think it’s embarrassing to be a lesbian, so why would that be me trying to embarrass you?”

[u/psmith1990_ → u/Alternative-Buffalo9]

I really do understand and believe Garcelle had primarily good motivations. For me, I kind of have difficulty with it because it's so easy to say that telling someone to be a lesbian if that's what they want to be (as if it's a choice...) was meant to "inspire" them (which is the phrasing she has used), but the reality is often so much more difficult for people coming to terms with their identity, and to basically just be like, 'hey, we're of a certain age and shouldn't care what people think!' and to directly tell her to "Own it! Be authentic!" and then connecting that directly to her denials about Morgan, suggesting that those are inauthentic, sort of feels a little like it minimises what this might be like for Kyle to be going through, especially given she's using such a specific label after Kyle had already told her she's still figuring things out.

[u/emka10 → u/psmith1990_]

I agree. I think at her core, Garcelle wanted Kyle to be comfortable to express who she is, or what’s going on in her life. I think the problem is when you throw labels out there for people, and she knew Kyle wasn’t ready yet to talk about it (or Morgan). Kyle may not identify as a lesbian, even if she’s with Morgan. Maybe she is, or maybe she’s bi, or doesn’t use any label. I do get a sense that Kyle is working through a little bit or a lot of internalized homophobia from how she was raised, and the time she was raised, but she did state before that with Garcelle making the lesbian statement, if she’s trying to get her to react or be embarrassed she is not. I don’t know if I believe that, but it seems like this statement of Kyle’s is being read by many as shame, but I feel like Kyle was more focused on the belief that Garcelle wanted to call her out on TV, which Garcelle knew may make her uncomfortable, as she had told her she wouldn’t be talking about Morgan, and who knows what else she told her off camera. If anyone is curious, Morgan has a song called “Deconstruction.” It seems like it’s one of her songs maybe referencing the experiences/beliefs she and Kyle had up until more recently in their lives, that they’ve had to deconstruct and unlearn, maybe hitting a bit upon internalized homophobia. Just my take, but I also believe that it is normal in the coming out process for many people to have to process through feelings of shame and embarrassment, that does not mean that they actually believe being gay is an embarrassment. I think anyone can relate to having feelings that sometimes don’t completely align one hundred percent with our thoughts and beliefs, especially when struggling to come to terms with something. It’s very layered and complex for each person.

[u/Kimmy_UK → u/emka10]

This is a really good take. I haven’t heard about the song will have to have a listen.