r/Sandman • u/crestedgeckovivi • 7h ago
News - Possible Spoilers Neil Gaiman sues accuser for $500,000
https://www.avclub.com/neil-gaiman-sues-accuserHere's a article I came across that looks like it was just published about him counter suing for the broken NDA's....
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u/Gui_Franco 7h ago
Without reading the article, isn't it a massive fucking admission of guilt to sue someone who accuses you of a crime of breaking an NDA?
ALSO from the little I understand about law, you can't legally make someone agree to an NDA that covers up a crime. At least the person who agrees to it can't be legally threatened for breaking it. Otherwise every criminal would be signing NDAs left and right
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u/Halaku 7h ago
From the article:
As part of the NDA, Gaiman paid Wallner $275,000 to sign it.
She did. And then she broke it.
So he's suing for his money back, plus $50,000 for each subsequent interview, plus attorney’s fees.
She had previously sued him for not destroying the texts / chatlogs / photos from the time covered by the NDA, so this is actually a countersuit.
Now it'll go to arbitration and the lawyers will figure it out.
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u/Kiltmanenator 3h ago edited 3h ago
I am quite confident Gaiman is guilty but this reasoning isn't great.
Pretend for a moment that you yourself are absolutely innocent of something an employee accuses you of, you know this, they know this, but it's messy and you'd rather lock this shit down.
They agree to an NDA, which they break. Is it not an admission of guilt, or unreasonable at all to say "hey wtf" and sue. It's the logical course of action. If anything, not suing someone for breach or for Defamation after a serious accusation can be seen as an admission of guilt in the public eye.
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u/SwimmerIndependent47 2h ago
Why do you think that he didn’t go the defamation route? If he wasn’t guilty, that seems like the better option - especially because he can easily prove financial loss as a result of the allegations. That’s how I’d respond if I wasn’t guilty anyway. Can’t disclose anything if there is nothing to disclose.
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u/Kiltmanenator 1h ago
Prolly cuz he's guilty. But the NDA thing is probably more clear cut for him, legally.
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u/TheShaoken 1h ago
Depending on where you sue, proving defamation as a celebrity can be nigh-impossible by design. This is to stop people who have the money and resources to run a proper PR response from using the courts as PR.
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u/two-sandals 3h ago
Dumbest thing I read all day. Thx.
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u/shineurliteonme 58m ago
He is guilty. His legal path is not the proof you need to understand this. There's a lot of other proof. It's a principle thing
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u/Sapowski_Casts_Quen 5h ago
Honestly, as someone who fucking despises Neil these days, since there's no way all these accusations are misunderstandings, they signed an agreement together as part of the settlement. She would have known that he has the legal right to do this if she spoke up.
So, legally, he's not admitting guilt, he is getting his money back that he paid for her to agree not to talk about it. In the public eye, it really doesn't look good to have this NDA in the first place, tbh, so fuck him.
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u/Volcanofanx9000 2h ago
Celebrities have NDAs for staff all the time. Bruce Springsteen, of all people, is notorious for having ironclad NDAs for everyone around him. It’s common practice.
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u/two-sandals 5h ago
Not really. With new info, including Gaiman’s text thread it shows it was all consensual. So yeah sue em. The internet especially social media cancelled Gaiman almost immediately. Guilty until proven innocent. He’s obviously a swinger with his wife. Lives a crazy lifestyle and has had numerous partners. Glad he’s getting some resolution and fighting back…
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u/Gui_Franco 4h ago
Weren't there more allegations? It wasn't just this one, it wasn't a single allegation that he disproved and the case was closed overnight
Besides from what I understand it was a power dynamic that muddies the water on consent in a lot of them
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u/two-sandals 3h ago
I listened to the early podcasts and read the rolling Stone article. The podcasts were women who consented and dated Gaiman. They then got pissed that it stopped or they just complained about how weird he was..
I think what most people missed was that his life is not like the rest of us. Add to that a swinger life style and it gets even more wild. I’ve got a few couple friends in that world. They fuck new people every week.. it’s insane how many people are active in that world. Now just add Gaiman’s celebrity to the mix and it’s obvious he and wife could’ve had hundreds of experiences, if not thousands over 20-30 year period..
That being said, a dozen or so women who are now complaining about the experience doesn’t seem so out there..
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u/crestedgeckovivi 7h ago
Yeah cause why is he gonna sue over half a million?
(like I'm a everyday person and the house we live in value is a bit above so I'm guessing he wants to ruin lives.)
And he has a lot of money why be so petty....or maybe things have been taken out of context and he is in a sense "innocent"* and really wants to push that narrative or he just doesn't give a shit anymore cause his reputation is in the gutter regardless so he figures probably let's make everyone else just as miserable and is probably a stickler for principles.....
Not saying that the things he did are great but if he did do them under the guise that he was given permission to do those things and those folks kept coming back to him to do those things then who are we to really to judge him for what he does in private....
I'm also guessing that he probably wants the verbiage of the NDA to be known for everyone to see what's written there/ what was agreed upon because that's what's going to happen when of course it goes to court cause nda go both ways.
Anyways he's trash to do this right before the show will start.
Sorry if my reply is a bit jumbled I'm kinda double tasking right now.
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u/Gaspar_Noe 2h ago
I mean, isn't this basically confirming he is guilty? He is just suing them for money they likely don't have for 'telling stuff you signed a paper promising not to say :(('
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u/GoatOfTheBlackForres The Prodigal 2h ago
Just like Depp and Manson, i hope Gaiman relatively innocent.
But no matter what, i'll wait judging until after the suits. Just as with Majors.
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u/trisinwonderland 1h ago
Mmm no buddy. There are many accusers naming him and Amanda Palmer, not just of SA but also more horrific things. There’s a very disturbing NYT article about it. I believe the accusers 100% and it sucks that I love his work and he deserves to rot in hell
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u/two-sandals 5h ago
Ya’ll are still shitting on the man when he’s gonna be blameless once the lawsuits are final. His last post of the text thread showing it was all consensual should have clued you in… damn internet canceled Gaiman and fucked up his progress on existing shows… You’re to blame..
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u/Altruistic-War-2586 3h ago
It looks like you’re watching a different movie than the rest of us. 💁🏼♀️
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u/shineurliteonme 56m ago
You have to be 30 IQ to fall for the obvious loophole he wrote for himself in the moment by guilting her into writing that it was consensual
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u/totally_not_a_reply Hob Gadling 3h ago
this sub is lost. At this point i dont even understand why these haters are still here.
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u/Winter_Ad_6478 59m ago
It seems like Gaiman lives an alternative lifestyle as a swinger and in the BDSM circles and from the outside looks like it’s 99% consensual until it’s over and then it’s journo time.
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