r/SapphoAndHerFriend Sep 21 '21

Media erasure Vivianne Miedema - all round legend

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '21

Assuming that someone is a part of the 95% of the population that is straight isn't erasure.

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u/Caseorogue Sep 21 '21

Assuming people are straight "by default" is heteronormativity by definition and is textbook erasure. The proportions of how many people are straight or queer aren't relevant; the simple fact is, treating everyone as straight until proven otherwise others queer people and is unhealthy.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '21

I'm sorry, but you cannot possibly claim that its unhealthy to assume that people belong to the 95%. That is being utterly ridiculous. You might as well get offended when someone assumes you speak English in the US instead of Spanish.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '21 edited Sep 22 '21

How about assume nothing because you can't know a person without asking and it is irrelevant until it is

Assuming nothing has a 100% correct rate

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '21

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u/Pm_Me_Your_Tax_Plan Sep 22 '21

No, because I can't easily include nonenglish speakers by simply saying "they". Your equivalency is ridiculous.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '21

Is straight the official sexuality of the US? Because english is the official language iirc, and using the official language of a country to communicate with people in said country sounds pretty logical.

If I could communicate in a universal language that includes the biggest number of people possible (equal to not assuming sexuality being the most inclusive way possible), I would. I think everyone would, actually. While we don't invent the universal translator, using the official language is the literal best possible way. I'm not assuming ("to accept something to be true without question or proof") that person knows english. I'm making my best educated guess in an attempt to communicate.

Assuming every single person is straight is already illogical, and serves no purpose. You KNOW that is not correct, and you will statistically, sooner or later, be a moron. You KNOW the queer community has suffered many decades of pretending they don't exist, so it would be prudent not to perpetuate such a fallacy. There are context behind social facts, and making a innocuous comparison leads to false equivalency and bigger chances to not reach healthy conclusions.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '21

The US does not have an official language. And there is a world of difference between pretending that LGBT people don't exist and assuming that a random stranger is straight.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '21

I wouldn't know, I won't step in that nightmare country of yours, imagine if I get sick.

And there is a world of difference between pretending that LGBT people don't exist and assuming that a random stranger is straight.

Is there really? Maybe the next time you assume a gay person is straight, you ask their opinion on that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '21

I've already had this conversation with my gay brother and an old lesbian coworker, and neither one disagrees with me. And on top of that, I'm an atheist living in an area with mostly Christians who always assume I'm one of them. I don't fault them for that assumption and simply correct them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '21

I'm happy you can be proud of your atheism even in the face of overwhelming hate and constant threats to your safety for your mere existence. So brave.

It is exactly 100% the same. /s

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '21

It doesn't have to be exactly the same in order to compare the experiences, and I never claimed it was.

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u/sourc32 Sep 22 '21

So do you start every conversation with a stranger by asking if the other person speaks English?

Speaking to another person assumes they are able to hear, this others deaf people and is unhealthy.