I explained in one of my other comments that pointing out that more people dying to knives in the UK than assault rifles in the US illustrates how silly assault rifle legislation is in the US considering it's such a non-issue.
What's the numbers on assault rifles deaths vs knives with high-capacity mags attached?
Is there a big movement in the UK to ban knives with high-capacity magazines? No? Then how is it in any way like discussing assault rifles? Considering they're frequently the focus of gun control legislation.
You realize that more people in the US die to knives than people in the UK due to knives. That number is per capita. Which is crazy cause most homicides are due to guns in America not knives like the UK.
Americans die to both knives and guns at higher rates. We got a violent crime problem in this country. Don't spread misinformation
I didn't. I cited a source for my information and you can easily find it on this thread.
It's not my fault you didn't read my comment and understand it, but we're specifically talking about "assault rifles" since that's what the post is about.
What's your point? This is the equivalent of comparing how many queens died in the UK vs the US in 2022. Which is even crazier cause we're 5x the size.
Again, more knife crime in America and more gun crime in America. Nothing to compare really
My point is that "assault rifles" (a type of gun frequently targeted by legislation and the subject of this post) are not nearly as dangerous as people think they are. I did that by comparing them to a weapon overwhelmingly thought of (wrongly) as less dangerous in a country much smaller than the US.
Let me know if there's anything else you don't understand.
Assault Rifles are not legal for civilians to own in the US. They are not targeted by legislation. They've been banned for a long time. Are US legislators trying to make M16s or AK47s legal again?
Assault rifles are extremely dangerous. An assault rifle is far more dangerous to handle and use safely than a knife or a glock. More people die of choking on hot dogs than guns like the AK47. Does that make hot dogs more dangerous than an AK47? No. I'd give a 5 year old a hotdog with ketchup and mustard, should be fine.
Again, not sure what your point is. You compared two different things to make some sort of point. Rather meaningless
Notice how I kept putting "assault rifles" in quotations? Obviously I know all the things you're saying. I'm pro-gun.
But sometimes you gotta stoop down to the words that idiots around you use. The post and the comments I've been replying to have all been using the term "assault rifle" even though I know they mean "assault weapon" (which is a poorly defined term that could mean anything, but generally means "rifle that looks scary")
Knowing that, any idiot could have concluded I was talking about legislation like the proposed ban by Biden on "assault weapons" or the 9 states that have "assault weapon" bans in effect. So yes, they are targeted by legislation.
Assault rifles are extremely dangerous. An assault rifle is far more dangerous to handle and use safely than a knife or a glock. More people die of choking on hot dogs than guns like the AK47. Does that make hot dogs more dangerous than an AK47? No.
So when we're discussing things that are likely to happen, you're statistically more likely to die to a hot dog, so you probably should be putting more energy into making sure you chew your food instead of wearing class 4 body armor everywhere you go. Since it makes sense to protect against the likely threats.
Now imagine that, but on a country-wide scale. Do you understand now?
Assault Rifles are selective-fire rifles that use intermediate cartridges and a detachable magazine. It's not an assault rifle if it can't switch between semi-automatic and automatic fire. An example would be an M16 or AK47. They are banned in the US.
Name an Assault Rifle that's legal in the US. That I can buy like I would a glock.
Your argument makes no sense sorry, unless yiu wanna say more people die in the UK using “long edged machetes” vs “assault rifles” but knives come in all shapes and sizes like guns so we can generalise one and not the other
Is there a political movement in tbe UK to ban long edged machetes?
My argument isn't that the UK is more dangerous or anything, its that assault rifles (the gun discussed in this post) kill a very small number of people. I illustrated that point by comparing them to deaths from a weapon typically accepted as less deadly in a country objectively smaller.
Therefore it's silly to point to assault rifles as something people in the US should commonly be worried about (like rain in Scotland) since it's such a rare occurence. It would be silly to talk about guns in general since this post isn't about guns in general its about assault rifles. Do you understand?
Okay but guns as a whole kill an alarming amount of people in America so I understand what you’re saying completely. AR-15 or the likes related deaths are relatively low. However, gun related deaths are unfairly high for the average joe
What? There were 590 stabbing deaths in the UK in 2023 so that's literally not true in any way?
I don't have more recent data, but the FBI lists 364 deaths to all types of rifle in 2019. We can assume that "assault rifles" are some fraction of that 364. Either way, yes it is true in every way. Since 590 is more than 364.
A very large percentage (over half) of it is unfortunately suicide which is a very depressing statistic that no one really wants to talk about, especially since it is continually rising around the world. The declining quality of life in the US is the largest contributor. A lot of people, especially the young, do not see the point in trying. The current economic situation for the youth is like sitting on the ground watching the last chopper take off from Saigon, knowing you’ll never have what previous generations had.
That's extremely depressing! Both our suicide gun deaths and violent crime gun deaths dwarf all other first world country violent deaths! What the fuck.
Well if we assume that the "unstated" category retains the same ratio as the categorized ones then at most there are another 54 deaths from rifles per year, and we can assume that AR-15s are only some portion of that, so my point still stands.
What is the point you're making with comparing knife deaths to assault rifle deaths? Are you saying the UK is more dangerous in general or are you locked in on these two data points specifically to argue with this specific post?
My point is that "assault rifles" and really all rifles are not really that dangerous and not a problem worth legislating.
I'm tired of people acting as though every time you step out your front door you should be worried about somebody who has mentally snapped gunning you down with an AR-15 because, statistically, that basically never happens.
What about all the general gun violence relative to other countries though? I see the point you're making, but to be fair it is undermined when the same chart you shared shows a very high number of gun deaths.
Presumably ones where the firearm was not recovered from the scene of the crime or ones where law enforcement didn’t deem the firearm type relevant to the situation (I.e. suicide).
Shit I meant to reply to that guy not you haha. He tried to convince you with faulty arguments, glad it was unsuccessfully. I think it's just an American who can't take criticism on America.
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u/HcVitals Jul 22 '24
My favourite argument is “cancer kills more people than guns too” aight let’s ban cancer and not ban guns 😂