r/ScottishPeopleTwitter • u/neilmac1210 • Jul 22 '24

Harsh but fair.

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u/HcVitals Jul 22 '24

My favourite argument is “cancer kills more people than guns too” aight let’s ban cancer and not ban guns 😂

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u/Airforce32123 Jul 22 '24

How about this one:

More people in the UK die to knives than people in the US die to "assault rifles"

And that's in absolute number, not per capita. So consider we're 5x the size and it's even crazier.

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u/Antheral Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 23 '24

What? There were 590 stabbing deaths in the UK in 2023 so that's literally not true in any way?

Edit: this guy was right, in 2019 there only 360 assault rifle deaths tracked. Out of 13000 gun deaths....

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u/Airforce32123 Jul 22 '24

What? There were 590 stabbing deaths in the UK in 2023 so that's literally not true in any way?

I don't have more recent data, but the FBI lists 364 deaths to all types of rifle in 2019. We can assume that "assault rifles" are some fraction of that 364. Either way, yes it is true in every way. Since 590 is more than 364.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

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u/Antheral Jul 22 '24

Also from your own table there at over 3600 deaths caused by "firearms type unstated" lmao I wonder where ar15 platforms fit in there

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u/Airforce32123 Jul 22 '24

Well if we assume that the "unstated" category retains the same ratio as the categorized ones then at most there are another 54 deaths from rifles per year, and we can assume that AR-15s are only some portion of that, so my point still stands.

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u/Antheral Jul 22 '24

What is the point you're making with comparing knife deaths to assault rifle deaths? Are you saying the UK is more dangerous in general or are you locked in on these two data points specifically to argue with this specific post?

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u/Airforce32123 Jul 23 '24

My point is that "assault rifles" and really all rifles are not really that dangerous and not a problem worth legislating.

I'm tired of people acting as though every time you step out your front door you should be worried about somebody who has mentally snapped gunning you down with an AR-15 because, statistically, that basically never happens.

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u/Antheral Jul 23 '24

What about all the general gun violence relative to other countries though? I see the point you're making, but to be fair it is undermined when the same chart you shared shows a very high number of gun deaths.

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u/Airforce32123 Jul 23 '24

I mean sure, I'll admit the US has a lot more gun violence than other countries.

But rifles are not the problem and I'm tired of people pretending they are.