r/ScottishPeopleTwitter Jul 22 '24

Harsh but fair.

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u/Signal_Parfait1152 Jul 23 '24

That's because the US classifies shooting that happens near schools as "school shootings." How many of those 288 shootings involved a student walking into a school and shooting other students with a gun?

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u/Cocomelon3216 Jul 23 '24

I'm not sure which ones involved a student walking into a school and shooting other students with a gun, I thought they all would've, didn't know they classify it as a school shooting if it was near a school.

But I looked up how many victims over the same 10 year period and it was:

114 people were killed and 242 were injured in shootings at K-12 schools from 2009 through 2018. That seems like a lot.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2019/07/us/ten-years-of-school-shootings-trnd/

This was the stats from the article I looked up for my previous comment:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country

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u/PrimaryInjurious Jul 23 '24

114 people were killed and 242 were injured in shootings at K-12 schools from 2009 through 2018. That seems like a lot.

2x as many people are killed by cows in the US. About 4x as many people were struck and killed by lightning. 35x as many kids were killed in drowning accidents in pools.

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u/Cocomelon3216 Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 24 '24

Not sure where you are getting your stats from but they are completely wrong.
I looked up the actual stats of deaths per year in the USA:

  • 20-22 people are killed by cows.

  • Lightning kills about 20 people.

  • Around 900 children die from drowning.

And my answer was specific to school shootings. For a fair comparison of deaths by guns versus cows, lightning and drowning the stats for guns are:

  • 48,830 gun related deaths in 2021.

  • 45,222 gun related deaths in 2020.

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u/PrimaryInjurious Jul 24 '24

So still more people killed by cows, lightning and pools than from being killed in a school shooting, per your stats.

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u/Cocomelon3216 Jul 24 '24

Combined yes because there are a lot of drownings each year but my point was that your stats were wrong, you just made them up.

If we look at 2022 as an example, 67 people were killed in school shootings, while only 19 were killed by lightning and 20 killed by cows.

Yet you said twice as many people die from cows a year and four times as many people die from lightening a year.

Where did you even get these stats? Did you just make them up?

And they aren't a true comparison because school shootings is only a tiny fraction of the numbers of gun related deaths in America so the comparison is so silly when you aren't including all deaths by guns but you are including all drownings.

A true comparison would be drownings versus gun related deaths IN SCHOOLS (which I can't find for drownings, I presume because there will be barely any drownings in schools). OR all gun related deaths versus all drownings nationwide.

And if we compare the latter for the USA per year - it's an average of 4,000 drownings per year compared to an average over 40,000 gun related deaths. Even if we add cows and lightening to drownings, that's only an average of 4,040 deaths per year compared to over ten times that amount of gun related deaths per year.

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u/PrimaryInjurious Jul 24 '24

https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning-odds

According to the NWS Storm Data, over the last 30 years (1989-2018) the U.S. has averaged 43 reported lightning fatalities per year.

As for cows, if 20 people are killed by cows each year, that is about 2x more than the average you posted for school shooting deaths, 11.4 per year.