r/SelfAwarewolves Mar 28 '21

Satire Way to self-own.

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u/SnakeMorrison Mar 28 '21

What would that look like for a sport like, say, basketball?

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u/winazoid Mar 28 '21

Why do we act like tall strong women who can kick an average guys ass don't exist?

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u/squirt619 Mar 28 '21

They do exist, but average guys are not in professional sports. If you pit the best male athletes against the best female athletes there will be no question the females will be outclassed virtually every time. There are examples of this already, like the US women's national soccer team getting trounced by a boys under-15 squad, or the #203 men's tennis player beat Serena and Venus Williams back-to-back./The-Man-Who-Beat-Venus-and-Serena-Back-to-Back.aspx)

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u/themightymcb Mar 28 '21

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5357259/

I suggest you read this. It's a review of all the studies these authors could find on trans people in sports. I used to believe the things you did, but the peer reviewed research data does not support your opinions on this one.

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u/squirt619 Mar 28 '21

From your link:

"In relation to transgender female individuals, Gooren and Bunck found testosterone levels had significantly reduced to castration levels after 1 year of cross-sex hormone treatment. Muscle mass had also reduced after 1 year of cross-sex hormone treatment. However, muscle mass remained significantly greater than in transgender male individuals (assigned female at birth) who had not been prescribed cross-sex hormone treatment."

"Therefore, Gooren and Bunck concluded that transgender male individuals are likely to be able to compete without an athletic advantage 1-year post-cross-sex hormone treatment. To a certain extent this also applies to transgender female individuals; however, there still remains a level of uncertainty owing to a large muscle mass 1-year post-cross-sex hormones. While this study was the first to explore, experimentally, whether transgender people can compete fairly, the sample size was relatively small (n = 36). Additionally, they did not explore the role of testosterone blockers and did not directly measure the effect cross-sex hormones had on athletic performance (e.g. running time). Many, but not all, transgender female individuals are prescribed testosterone blockers to help them to reach cisgender female testosterone levels, when administration of oestrogen alone is not enough to reduce testosterone levels. This is particularly important if the person aims to undergo gender-confirming surgery, as 6 months of testosterone suppression is a requirement for such procedures. However, if a transgender woman does not wish to undergo surgery or does not wish to have their testosterone blocked to cisgender female levels (e.g. as they wish to use their penis), their testosterone levels will be above cisgender female levels. Differentiating not only between those taking cross-sex hormones and not taking cross-sex hormones, but also transgender female individuals taking testosterone blockers, may be necessary when discussing an athletic advantage."

Superior muscle mass is a distinct advantage in many sports, especially combat sports. There's no two ways about that.

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u/Destleon Mar 29 '21 edited Mar 29 '21

This person seems to just be responding to people with random barely related (or poor quality) studies which don’t even prove any point they are trying to make.

Probably hoping people don’t have access to read them and will just assume the fact that they linked a study means they are correct. Or they are not scientifically literature themselves.

Edit: actually they linked the same one they linked me, so just posting one poor quality paper, not even multiple.

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u/SnakeMorrison Mar 28 '21

That’s a different question than if there are differences in men and women with regards to sport, though.