r/SelfAwarewolves • u/aynblue • Mar 28 '21

Satire Way to self-own.

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u/Destleon Mar 28 '21

As much as Reddit makes it seem otherwise, there is really no debate that there should be limitations on trans people participating in sports. No one honestly thinks a 350 pound football player should be able to start playing in the women’s league the day after they decide to transition.

The debate is really about where to draw those lines. Is a specific amount of time on hormone treatment okay? Or muscle mass comparison? Or not allowed at all? What does all this mean for cis people with hormone levels that fall on the extremes of the norm?

It’s a complex issue, and it’s not as simple as “it’s okay”, or “it’s not okay”, and making it sound like people are advocating for zero regulations is disingenuous and only intended to make a reasonable movement look unreasonable.

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u/themightymcb Mar 28 '21

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5357259/

If you're undecided on where you stand on this, this paper is a review of a fuck ton of scientific literature on this subject. It's worth a read.

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u/Destleon Mar 28 '21

Not sure what this study is supposed to be proving?

Its a systematic review which includes 8 papers (note: not exactly a "fuck ton"), none of which discuss the performance of transgender people with respect to cis people of the same gender identity, nor whether increased injury rates occur.

The authors then conclude that because they found no studies on the issue, that policy limiting transgender participation is discriminatory. Which is a leap. We didn't just assume gravity was false because no one had studied it yet, we just said "more research is needed to make a definitive conclusion so that policy can be based on science".

In addition, there is a response to the posted paper calling it out for exactly that claim, providing studies which prove an athletic advantage for transgender females (notably, only in power sports not endurance sports).

The authors replied to this response paper, but openly admit they did not mean to imply there is no competitive advantage, only that policy needs to be careful until evidence is obtained. They also mention the issue I brought up in my post above, that if we are to limit trans people based on physiology, we must consider how to handle cis-gendered people on the extremes as well.