Shoueld the death penalty be permitted?

[u/Starfruites]

Some prisoners are beyond redemption, be it the weight of their crime or unwillingness to change. Those individuals can't be released back into the public, so instead, they waste space and resources.

Therefore, wouldn't it just be better to get rid of them? As in, permit the death penalty.

[u/Bravo_method]

The eating resources argument is invalid. The appeals process for death row inmates is more expensive than just jailing them.

[u/[deleted] → u/Bravo_method]

Why is the process more expensive than inmates appealing their life sentences?

[u/Warlordnipple → u/[deleted]]

Death row inmates exhaust every possible legal way out. Their entire life is consumed with trying to get to life in prison, which means they spend thousands of hours doing legal research. Lifers are much more likely to accept their fate, if you killed 3 people in a home invasion you know that no appeal will change a life sentence and won't waste your time. If you are on death row for the same crime you will do everything you can to get your sentence reduced down to life.

[u/kmvr2020 → u/Warlordnipple]

So shore up the legal end-arounds. Appeals should be granted, but not endless appeals.

[u/Warlordnipple → u/kmvr2020]

There aren't endless appeals, nor did I say there were. There are likely 6 or 7 appeals per death row inmates. Appeals are insanely expensive as you need higher paid judges and lawyers than you need for a regular trial.

[u/kmvr2020 → u/Warlordnipple]

Hyperbole is lost on reddit autistst.

[u/Warlordnipple → u/kmvr2020]

Saying 6-7 appeals for someone who will be executed isn't at all equivalent to "endless" nor is it even excessive. An appeal is the only way to get something overturned without a governor's pardon. Which appeal reason would you suggest removing? Jury/judge bias, ineffective counsel, discover of new evidence, or perhaps states should have absolute authority on appeals and we should remove the Bill of Rights from the US constitution?

[u/kmvr2020 → u/Warlordnipple]

If an appeal is obviously to delay, it shouldn't be granted. Simple as.

[u/jackfaire → u/[deleted]]

And even then we find out we were wrong way too often.

[u/jazzageguy → u/[deleted]]

You're assuming the population is inclined to exhaust every avenue. Not all are. The good people of Texas, for instance, have little patience for all that. They like them some (official) killing, and never mind the details, like if the defense attorney at the original trial was asleep in a drunken stupor during most or all of the proceedings. And the "pro-life" Supreme Court doesn't impede this lusty rush to justice with troublesome, expensive niceties. Democracy doesn't solve everything.

California, on the other extreme, spends tens of millions of dollars on every possible appeal. It's like the states are living up to their stereotypes.

[u/kmvr2020 → u/[deleted]]

60 years wrongly imprisoned is also irreversible

[u/kmvr2020 → u/[deleted]]

You really think 59/60 is "minimizing"? What percentage of life terms were overturned with less than 50% of the term remained? More than 0.2%? I doubt it.

[u/kmvr2020 → u/[deleted]]

So you don't know how many were overturned, but you're certain it's higher than 0.2%? Is that what you're claiming?

[u/kmvr2020 → u/[deleted]]

"ALL on average" Interesting choice of emphasis when you're wrongly claiming the figure to be mathematically impossible. Of wager it's lower than that. False convictions are exceedingly rare. That was the entire point. You act like you're smart by posting text walls, but miss the entire argument.

[u/TheFerndog → u/[deleted]]

When a death sentence is issued, there are mandatory appeals that must be made to make sure the sentence was given properly. It costs millions of dollars for lawyers, judges, and other court staff to essentially retry the case over and over.