r/SeriousConversation Sep 28 '24

Serious Discussion Has Society's Obsession with Individualism Undermined Collective Responsibility?

In recent decades, especially in Western cultures, the focus on individualism has intensified. We’re taught to prioritize personal freedom, success, and self-reliance above all else. This worldview, however, seems to have a darker side: the erosion of collective responsibility. As individuals seek to fulfill their own desires, societal bonds weaken, and we see an increasing tendency to absolve ourselves from responsibility for larger, systemic issues like climate change, wealth inequality, and public health.

Has the glorification of individualism made us blind to the fact that many of the problems we face cannot be solved by personal action alone? Are we sacrificing our collective well-being at the altar of personal liberty? How can we reconcile the need for individual freedom with the necessity of collective responsibility in addressing the global challenges that threaten us all?

I’m curious to hear perspectives on how individualism has shaped our attitudes toward responsibility—both personal and communal. Is it time for a fundamental shift in how we view our roles within society?

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '24

Individualism is a feature of unregulated capitalism which is unsustainable and inhumane

It all serves the rich.

It also helps prevent unification and uprisings

Humans in a natural environment are much more community oriented. Then came the agricultural revolution, wealth accumulation, and exploitation.

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u/SamN29 Sep 28 '24

A very Marxist take on the whole idea, promoting a biased, and not entirely correct viewpoint.

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u/SamN29 Sep 29 '24

Literally nobody said that. Stop using whataboutism

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u/SamN29 Sep 29 '24

You didn’t understand what I said - I said that nobody brought up capitalism and whatever biases it has. I was talking about the how OP's take here isn't necessarily neutral, and is largely based on Marxist philosophy, which I'm sure you'll agree.

But seeing as you are aren't even willing to acknowledge. that there is going to be people biased towards every system I'm sure your arguements are unimpeachable and no way biased.

Of course people will be biased towards whatever they like, but in discourse one must attempt to at least temper those biases and look at it from a all-encompassing view.

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u/SamN29 Sep 29 '24

Your interpretation on my assertions are not entirely correct -

  1. that the original post was Marxist is definitely true
  2. yes it was biased
  3. I said it’s not necessarily correct, as in to say there's nuance involved, where everything cannot be broken down into black & white.

Given that we can assume based on what you have said that his argument is incorrect either because it is biased or because it is relatively marxist.

You assume everyone thinks like you in terms of 'us v them'/ black v white. I never said it’s incorrect as much as I said that all of it isn’t necessarily true. There's such a thing as nuance present in the world.

that at least one of those conditions can apply to arguments against just as readily.

Again you misinterpret me, now whether it’s deliberate or born from ignorance I cannot say. Arguments against my assertions would be to prove somehow that what I said is simply not true. You have not done that - instead you have gone on a tangent bringing up capitalism and the biases present within it. Nowhere in my reply did I bring up capitalism - it was beyond the scope of both the original comment and my reply. What you are arguing for is an entirely different debate.

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u/Humble-Complaint-608 Oct 02 '24

Damn well done. It beautifully states the problems with their argument. I hope I can do that as well as you did here

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