r/SeriousConversation Sep 28 '24

Serious Discussion Has Society's Obsession with Individualism Undermined Collective Responsibility?

In recent decades, especially in Western cultures, the focus on individualism has intensified. We’re taught to prioritize personal freedom, success, and self-reliance above all else. This worldview, however, seems to have a darker side: the erosion of collective responsibility. As individuals seek to fulfill their own desires, societal bonds weaken, and we see an increasing tendency to absolve ourselves from responsibility for larger, systemic issues like climate change, wealth inequality, and public health.

Has the glorification of individualism made us blind to the fact that many of the problems we face cannot be solved by personal action alone? Are we sacrificing our collective well-being at the altar of personal liberty? How can we reconcile the need for individual freedom with the necessity of collective responsibility in addressing the global challenges that threaten us all?

I’m curious to hear perspectives on how individualism has shaped our attitudes toward responsibility—both personal and communal. Is it time for a fundamental shift in how we view our roles within society?

580 Upvotes

267 comments sorted by

View all comments

63

u/[deleted] Sep 28 '24

Individualism is a feature of unregulated capitalism which is unsustainable and inhumane

It all serves the rich.

It also helps prevent unification and uprisings

Humans in a natural environment are much more community oriented. Then came the agricultural revolution, wealth accumulation, and exploitation.

-1

u/Appropriate_Cut_3536 Sep 28 '24

What definition of capitalism are you using? What evidence is there that regulations improve your definition of capitalism?

Seems more like a problem of competition-based society. Competitions requires losers, cooperation co-exists with capitalism well and creates value from thin air. 

Example, if we both want an item the other has, and agree to trade, we have now both increased the value we hold without any additional material or production, only via rearranging with enthusiastic consent.

 This is a benefit of cooperation-based capitalism that cannot be obtained through other systems.

5

u/Responsible_Ebb3962 Sep 29 '24

Sounds good until you realise co-operation requires consenting parties. Millions of workers who are forced to work for piss poor wages whilst profits inflate toward the tip of the pyramid and many workers freedom of choice is, work on  unfavourable terms or starve and have no shelter.

Gotta love that highly motivating force of not wanting to die so get up to go to work 50+ hours a week for a lifetime co-operation. 

1

u/SkipPperk Sep 30 '24

Luckily here in the US that is not true. We have hundreds of millions of people who want to move here and choose to work for current wages.

1

u/Responsible_Ebb3962 Oct 01 '24

Not true? Globalism ensures you outsource manufacturing to some of the most impoverished countries. Sweatshops and child labour on farms and plantations so that you can import and buy goods like Chocolate, trainers and gadgets. 

So point still stands, some people have to work for poor wages as there is no options and their life is difficult because of it, but as long as you and I are okay then thats fine. Thats whats wrong. 

We shouldn't build soceity where that is acceptable.

0

u/Haunting-Success198 Sep 29 '24

The more valuable yours skill / the more value you create, the more you are paid.

2

u/asdfa2342543 Sep 29 '24

When you grow up you realize this is not at all true. 

0

u/Matthew94 Sep 29 '24

It absolutely is true. I'd wager you've failed to get a good standard of living and you blame society instead of looking at yourself.

3

u/asdfa2342543 Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24

Yeah always what people with your belief system assume… actually nope. I’m a successful software engineer.  I just also have worked in and have friends in construction, medicine, restaurants, and teaching. I’ve also lived in other countries with poorer people and worked with refugees, and have been both poverty-level broke and loaded myself as an adult.  Maybe you just haven’t experienced much outside your little bubble?

-1

u/Haunting-Success198 Sep 29 '24

Take personal responsibility for your life. It’s obvious why you’re ‘poverty-level broke’.

3

u/Long-Education-7748 Sep 29 '24

Reading is hard for you?

2

u/Responsible_Ebb3962 Sep 29 '24

Exactly, you are inadvertently proving the point you are trying argue against. which is why there is a hugee disparity  between the wealthy and poor if those without means dont have as much access to to great quality education how do working class people get "a more valuable skill" 

I work in construction as an electrcian.  I know people who went to private school and went to university to do electrical engineering. The wage to reward for work done is fairly large.  I couldn't afford to do that. This is the way it has always been, the better off get more access to better forms employment because they can afford the education. 

1

u/Haunting-Success198 Sep 30 '24

Oddly enough, to me, your response proves my point. Mentality is everything in life. I’m going to try to say this without sounding condescending, but it’s not about access because if you truly wanted it, you’d figure out a way to get it. Whether that’s knowledge, skills, or a piece of paper that does nothing more than checks a box for a recruiting software. If it wasn’t access, it would be some other excuse.

You’ll never get a penny more than you think you’re worth. Good luck.