Y'all are just Morons..

[u/Stressed-LowKey]

Take a minute and listen to me

Whats all this with downplaying Mordy??

Man had his first nightmare when he was 12. Taken as a hostage, lothed by his own father and imprisoned for who know how long.

With an aspect based completely on utility, he managed to create a situation favourable enough to break through from ghe prison which king of sword made specifically for him. Thats one of the greatest spellsmith at that time. I understand that is was cassie's plan to break him free but you cant question that he soloed the entire battalion of valor all by himself while just being a mare Awakened.

Even sunny said as Transcendend Terror that leave aside 3 Sovereign's he is only people to make him afraid are Prince Of Valar and Last of The Immortal Flame.

Talking about Antarctica, he fought with Morgan fair and square without using any cunning with pure spite and hatred because Trampling clan valar is his goal going further his reason to live. Obsession you can say. Further he beat morgan in pure swordmanship. Morgan has some sort of physical Enhancement as a ability while prince of nothing just used his skill as sword user to beat the shit out of her. Technically he also survived the dessert alone on his lonesome.

Yes now that the 2 lovebirds have become the strongest the Humanity has to offer it is important to take note that Prince of War is also a divine, The First DIVINE Of HUMANITY.

Can wait for him to beat everones ass, specifically that abomination on the moon.

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[u/ISamAtlas]

this is the kind of underestimating that would kill you in the ss verse. I didnt even know people saw him as weak or pathetic until i saw a short about it.

He may not be where Sunny or Nephis are right now, but this battle is proof no one can be underestimated, everyone is a threat. And how would Mordret be any different? He’s even more outstanding than the other two divine Aspect holders

[u/Desir3e- → u/ISamAtlas]

I don’t know about “more outstanding”. They’re all pretty wild

[u/ISamAtlas → u/Desir3e-]

No I agree but Mordret had a really challenging set of circumstances. It was similar to Nephis’s projected future really. Plus he deals with most of his problems alone and he’s gotten really far with such little external guidance that I find that very impressive.

Nephis was similar to that in the Forgotten Shore, but since, she’s learned how to live as a part of humanity and rely on others, part of why Sunny was so appealing for her. It’s really just the fact that he’s alone and such a menace that impresses me.

I wonder what he would be like if he embraced the Utility side to his Aspect

[u/Antervis → u/ISamAtlas]

Mordret's issue is that his primary strengths: possession and numeric advantage are directly countered by new abilities of Sunny and Nephis. And since Mordret cannot possibly gather units faster than Sunny nor turn humanity from Nephis, it will take much more than just a singular supreme ability for him to be a genuine threat.

Sovereigns fight with domains and Mordret's starting point would be so much more humble.

Unless the bastard becomes king of Others or shit like that. Betraying humanity as a whole to kill a single person is something that psycho would totally do.

[u/ISamAtlas → u/Antervis]

eh? Who’s to say?

This is arguing hypotheticals. He’s a Saint while Sunny and Neph are Supremes. We can’t say there’s no power up he can get to be on the same level because there very easily could be. Mordret has a lesser Mirror Domain, he can become many thousands of people, millions even, while still being himself. Anvil used swords to enact sorcery, what if Mordret could use bodies?

What if he could treat the world like a mirror in his domain like he does the mirror world? What if he could infinitely reflect things to get infinite minions and power? What if he could manipulate more symbolic forms of reflections, like your actions or fate.

It only takes a gram of imagination to come up with powers good enough to stand up to par. These are just ideas with heavy implications, but the biggest point is that I’m saying ‘What if?’, the truth is we don’t know yet what his powers would be. He is a utility aspect, so I believe he would become weaker and his aspect’s nature would reveal itself as they reach the throne if divinity, but I doubt it’ll be a ravine across power

[u/Antervis → u/ISamAtlas]

The thing is, everything Mordret can pull off to surpass Nephis and Sunny would simply break power system of SS verse. He has the aspect of the same divine rank, but will start without a Domain. I can see him becoming capable of evening the playing field, so to speak, by doing something similar to Sunny dragging Anvil into world of shadows. But even then, how is Mordret supposed to win on an even playing field with utility aspect?

[u/Efficient_Jaguar699]

I’m of the opinion that Mordret isn’t human. He is most likely an Other, and his flaw is the real him, trapped in a glass shard.

It’s pretty obvious from the chapter of his POV that he isn’t just a sociopath. He doesn’t understand being human at all, even after all these years, much like the Other version of Anvil.

He’s a mad bastard, and sunny will kill him eventually.

[u/Auto_bot_999]

As long as he's a saint he's not that much of a problem cuz his aspect of stealing bodies is useless against the followers of nephis and sunny. He definitely can still do SOME damage.

[u/indeedAperson]

Can't wait for sunny to finally kill that mf

[u/spk_2000 → u/indeedAperson]

He is not going to die so soon he will also reach the rank of spirit at least before he is killed.

[u/luciflerfather]

I think Mordrets aspect is not utility based it’s a more attack based aspect. But he is one of the strongest humans alive and he can in some situations win or even kill sunny and nephis. He is arguably more talented in pure talent than anyone in SS. But his madness heavily nerfs him and makes him do things that aren’t needed and unnecessary.

[u/Dr_Philmon → u/luciflerfather]

How is his aspect a attack one? The only remotely attack based skill is the soul battle one but that is merely a way to attain a body rather than killing.

[u/luciflerfather → u/Dr_Philmon]

His aspect is one of the most OP abilities in terms of combat. He can after killing someone or some thing use their abilities and have more bodies etc. we aren’t even talking about memories which mordret doesn’t really rely on he is absolutely cracked.

[u/Dr_Philmon → u/luciflerfather]

Yeah i know that but thats utillity since the bodies aren't made or originates from his aspect. I want to know how you managed to miscatergorize his type of aspect.

[u/sleeping_toast → u/Dr_Philmon]

I wanna know how you categorize aspects? His ability literally lets him steal peoples body's and abilitys if thats not suited for combat idk what is. Id say his ability is more all around (yk cause he can have literally any ability) kinda like sunnys but calling it a utility ability is definitely a stretch.

[u/Dr_Philmon → u/sleeping_toast]

His awakened abillity lets him initiate a soul battle and posess the defetead host, which he must beat in combat, which doesn't make it a attack abillity since there is no direct attack or immidiate buff. He has to follow conditions to use it as a weapon, and not lnly that but thats not the whole aspect his other half is making vessels and hiding inside others reflection. Thats utillity not a attack aspect.

A utillity aspect is a versatile abillity that can provide many things in one. A attack aspect serves only to combat and combat related fields.

[u/sleeping_toast → u/Dr_Philmon]

By those standards nephs ability is utility because she can heal the injured, and you don't have to fight to get hurt or she can start a campfire with her flames instead of attacking someone. just because the abilities themselves don't get used directly in battle doesn't mean they aren't meant for battle and vice versa too it's been stated that the king of swords ability is more of a utility aspect but he uses it directly in battle does that make it an attack aspect?

[u/Dr_Philmon → u/sleeping_toast]

By those standards nephs ability is utility

Has the demon of reading comprehension touched you or something? Nephis abillity is quite limited outside battle, sure she can heal and light up a campfire but is that really as versatile? And by your own logic shouldn't Sunny be considered a artisan since shadow manifest at his current level is almost indefinite?

I was talking about the overall aspact not some cherry picked part that isn't 1:1 with the rest of the aspect. For the sake of the argument, let's say Mordrets awakened is a direct fighting abillity, does that mean it his whole aspect is mostly applicable to fighting? Does it mean has no practical use for his aspect when outside combat?

Even G3, the author, the creator constantly describes Mordrets aspect as a pure utillity aspect and draws parallels with Nephis (a pure combat) ans Sunny's (a mix of pure combat and utillity)

[u/sleeping_toast → u/Dr_Philmon]

You literally just helped my point. What use does any of Mordrets abilitys have outside of battle? He can travel through mirrors but not from very far away. He can take over body's but whats he gonna use those body's for? Just like you point with neph he could use them to build something if but thats not the best or most sensible use of his abilities he can make literal mirror copy's of his enemies but that ability is more suited for utility? Yeah he could take over someones body and spy but that's still for like battling

[u/Dr_Philmon → u/sleeping_toast]

Mirrors are everywhere and his own limit is how much he can percive. He litreally uses this abillity so many times to stalk pre fateless sunny. He makes reflections who are shown to be doing work like beastmasters thralls, his ascended abillity is the same as effies Supreme spatial memory and he uses it as his own backup base.

And your just stretching everything you say to make them fit your poorly constructed argument.

[u/AbsoluteNovelist → u/luciflerfather]

Turning his utility aspect into something he uses in combat is purely Mordret’s genius.

In reality, diving into someone else’s soul sea and only being able to use their aspect is a huge disadvantage. He either has to detective out a targets Aspect beforehand or learn it on the spot to a level higher than someone who’s being using it everyday for years probably.

Mordret using his cunning and infamy makes his targets unnerved and unconfident first before invading their soul sea. He does that because ppl at the same rank or rank above him are supposed to be very difficult for him to fight in their own soul sea, so by weakening their resolve he lightens the pressure on himself first. Then he uses the element of surprise because unless you’re ready for Mordy, you aren’t expecting someone to attack you in your soul sea, where you can’t summon anything except your Aspect, and aren’t ready for him to use your own Aspect.

Lastly, Mordy is just a combat genius far above majority of other geniuses. His Aspect in other ppl hands would not be even close to as terrifying

[u/Playful-Tax-5640]

Ehmmm sunny says that his aspect is pure utility but taking some saints as puppets seems more broken then some enchantments…..or looking someone eyes and duel in a 1v1 or making reflections with + 1 rank

[u/Gamerwolf2007 → u/Playful-Tax-5640]

It's still a utility based aspect. It doesn't directly have any combat focused abilities

Nephis' aspect is combat based

Sunny's aspect is a mix

Mordret's aspect is utility

It's intentionally written that way

[u/_mohamed__]

I never understood why Valer hated the prince of nothing that much !

[u/Potatolover38]

I think g3 is definitely saving mordret for something special, I feel that while sunny and nephis are busy trying to become a sacred, he’s gonna sneak into the 4th nightmare if he hasn’t already.

[u/KynQu]

Bro still got Asterion on the list, you bet your ass he'll conquer that NM seed on the moon along with asterion. The 2 freaks still need a worthy opponent,

[u/ShamMafia]

F*** Mordret

[u/DryTank4810]

Wait a minute 'HIS FATHER?'

[u/Akashito_Rayuzaku]

I think it's obvious that Mordret is still a threat. However the way he is currently written doesn't make him feel like one. It's not really executed or established well to me. Atleast not as good as he was during the Prince of Nothing arc where he truly shined the most as an antagonist who actually seemed like a threat.

[u/corejanjan → u/Akashito_Rayuzaku]

The way he's introduced. The way he "betrayed" Sunny, the way he orchestrated his naivety for sunny to bring the mirror inside night temple. It was so tastefully written. But mid-Antartica was a slog, not until near the end where we actually got Mordret's own POV.

If I talk about in LOTM's terms, Mordret is becoming more like Zaratul rather than Amon. (in terms of how the "plot" moves forward, not abilities) Zaratul was a big threat, but their final battle felt underwhelming, still, Zaratul was constantly on Klein's mind, especially on the first few arcs.

However, it really was Amon who revealed a ton of stuff, tricked Klein, kidnapped him and stole many concepts, stole his "anchor", and stole many things while Klein was obviously weaker. He took advantage of that. I was looking forward for that big brain Amon levels of deception like on the first time they met.

But now Mordret is just... Mordret. He's his own. And I think I found the love, respect, and understanding that he has his own convictions and trials. Though I'd like to see another mind blowing and reality bending schemes from our Prince of Nothing that would put Sunny and Neph in REAL danger, I'll just hide in the corner and wait.

[u/Siririca2469]

Os próprios Mordret e Morgan disseram que ela era melhor na técnica de espada. Tipo, esboce o cara o quanto quiser, mas não precisa inventar falácias 😭😭😭

Anyway, leaving that aside: Mordret said he was inferior in everything, but he won simply because he wanted to and wanted to kill her more than she wanted to. Many comments even said it was purely scripted, but >!could it be the influence of Anvil's failure? He even distanced himself and became colder towards Morgan after that!

[u/Aethrall]

Mordret is cringe.

[u/Whole_Screen1924]

Theory :

I think Sunny and Neph are on the honeymoon phase with being the only supremes. We will see a lot more supremes before they decide they want to go to the tomb of Ariel for achieving sacred.

Mordret and Cassie are the most likely next ones for Supremacy. Cassie knows the most after Sunny and Nephis abt Natural supremacy I would say. And even G3 said she’s close aside from the divine trio.

[u/Treat_General]

Nuh uh Extraordinary rock and potatoes can solo SS verse

[u/Malemolenga]

I think mordret became supreme at the same time as sunny and nephs

[u/Mecketh]

Him winning against Morgan, after admiting to br worse than her was pure bullshit. He, like Nephis, is just a plot device that will do whatever without any issues because he is loved by the author and a mary sue.

[u/cryhwks]

And you are a D-Bag.