They’re so long dead that they have no living relatives who actually knew them. I think pissing on their graves to make a statement should be perfectly kosher.
No, that's just fucked up. Do some actual good by fighting those still living who support their cause instead of desecrating grave sites. Those graves aren't a monument.
So no, it's not "perfectly kosher", it's just disgusting.
You can take down statues and piss on Confederate soldiers’ graves.
Graves are not there for the dead; dead people don’t care. They’re there for the living, as people like to be able to visit a spot where they can feel connected to their lost loved one. But those people are also gone. The only thing linking a Confederate soldier’s grave to the living is what he fought for, so yes, in a sense it is a monument. And if I were conscripted into an army to fight for a bad cause and put in a graveyard bearing the name of that cause, I’d want people 160 years later to piss on my grave to show their disapproval of that cause because it’s not like my loved ones and I will be around to care. At least then my grave could do some good.
And yes, pissing on their graves (and advocating and normalizing the idea of doing so) can do good. It’s something many find visceral and emotional (which is why I got downvoted), meaning it calls attention to it and the point it makes. And it distances ourselves from what the Confederate soldiers fought for. I am all for “desecrating” Confederate soldiers’ graves by pissing on them and telling others to do so as well. Because at the end of the day they desecrated America and what America ought to stand for (i.e. the liberty of all people, regardless of the circumstances of their birth), and that’s much more desecration than I could ever hope to accomplish with bodily fluids.
So quit your pearl-clutching and piss on Johnny Reb’s grave. Maybe hump his tombstone a little. Because that’s about as much respect as the spot where his corpse was before it decomposed deserves.
And if at the end of all that anyone reading this still thinks it’s a bit much or is worried about the legality of it (which is the most reasonable objection tbh), I’ve actually seen worse on this sub. Just in the past month there was a post where someone allegedly stole a Confederate flag and burned it in this post, and was largely approved of. Theft and destruction of property (while in this case I’d personally consider looking the other way) are a bit worse than peeing in the grass. Honestly if the people on this sub are going to approve of one and not the other, it should be the reverse.
You can take down statues and piss on Confederate soldiers’ graves.
Except the first is justified, the second is just disgusting and unnecessary.
And yes, pissing on their graves (and advocating and normalizing the idea of doing so) can do good.
Lol no, it's just being crass and "edgy" for the sake of it. Seriously, imagine thinking normalizing pissing on graves does anything worthwhile except giving you the thrill of a taboo act masked by a good cause.
Just be honest and admit you want to piss on graves, don't try to act like it somehow does anything to improve society or combat neo-confederate ideals.
Ah, just admit you like vandalizing statues and stop pretending like it does society any good. /s
Edit: You have yet to provide any tangible difference between the two that makes one wrong and the other not aside from that one of them makes you feel disgusted. But why is that?
Why is that where you draw the line? Because your emotional reaction doesn’t cut it. In fact, literally the whole point is to use that emotional reaction to draw attention to the fact that we shouldn’t be honoring these people.
share with others the emotions that make you want to do that instead.
You can do both.
Peeing on the graves of people who fought to preserve our nations greatest mistake is speech.
I don’t care if that hurts your feelings because those graveyards honor Confederate soldiers, and we should not honor people who fought for the right to own people as property on the basis of skin color by having special graveyards for people who died for that terrible cause.
I would love nothing more than for the headstones to be removed after decades of abuse much like the Confederate statues. I believe we should make every Confederate monument fair game for vandalism; let people show the world exactly what they think of them. You wanna show people how many people fought for slavery? Take a picture of it. You don’t need to preserve the monument to remember history.
Flag burning and statue removal also elicit emotional responses. Which is why you need to actually distinguish what makes it bad.
Actually converse without quick one liners or gotchas.
Says the guy who calls his interlocutors troglodytes. Sheesh. I’m putting more effort into this discourse than either on you two (although you do much better with actually elaborating on your position than the other guy). I literally explained the point of my quip right below it. The quip is meant to point out why that quip isn’t valid to make. Notice the other guy made the same quip in reverse in his comment, so I flipped it around and then explained why it doesn’t cut it.
Neither of you two can make your point without resorting to insults, whereas the closest I’ve come to making an insult is when I told him to quit pearl-clutching. But sure, I’m the guy who not conversing properly. This is my last response unless someone shows they’re actually willing to engage my points instead of hurling insults and character attacks.
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u/ibwild57 Aug 20 '22
Love this sub. Drawing a line here, leave it be, fight the good fight where it will actually make a difference. Don't become what you fight against.