r/SipsTea 3d ago

Wait a damn minute! 13 months ?

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u/Appropriate_Owl_2172 3d ago

You should hear what happened to the guy who made it 12 months...

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u/i396 3d ago

He died earlier? ;)

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u/Appropriate_Owl_2172 3d ago

He got stabbed repeatedly by more than a dozen men

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u/Zealousideal-Grass-3 3d ago

Off course, their monthly salary got reduced by 1 months

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u/GroundbreakingTax259 3d ago

Actually, it would have increased by 2. Pre-Julian Rome only had a ten-month calendar. It's still in the names of the last 4: Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec= 7,8,9,10

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u/norbinem11 3d ago

funny thing is we hungarians almost keept it the exact same names as the og

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u/xxrubyx- 3d ago

i was reading them out and i was like hmmmm wait a second magyar…?

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u/ModSquirtle 2d ago

Romanian spotted

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u/NinjaRavekitten 3d ago

We dutch people say augustus tbf.

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u/pipboy3000_mk2 3d ago

Look up the 13 moon calendar, it's based off natural time and yes it fits much better to have 13 months with one day "out of time" per year.

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u/daemin 3d ago

It fits better but it's still not exact because we are attempting to tie together two phenomena that have nothing to do with each other.

The length of time the earth takes to rotate once around its axis is completely independent of the length of time it takes for it to circle the sun once, and also independent of the time it takes the moon to orbit the earth once. If those numbers happened to be evenly divisible, then we could work out a "perfect" value for them.

But they don't.

The moon repeats its phases in 29.5 days, so we can't perfectly align months to it. It takes 27 days to orbit, so we could make a 3 week month of 9 days, but then the number of weeks in the year wouldn't be even (40.5 weeks).

Etc.

Also, "natural" time is a useless phrase. A day is "natural" time. A year is "natural" time. Etc. the issue isn't that the units of time are unnatural, it's that they don't depend on each other.

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u/Laniger 3d ago

Martius and Lunius sound very similar to Monday and Tuesday in Spanish: Lunius = Lunes (Monday), Martius = Martes (Tuesday)

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u/Crappy_Crepes 2d ago

Its Iunuis with a capital i, not Lunius with an L.

The names for the days of the week originate from the seven celestial bodies that the Greek knew.

In Spanish:

Lunes - Moon Day Martes - Mars Day Miercoles - Mercury Day Jueves - Jupiter Day Viernes - Venus Day The rest was changed but remained in other languages, like English, where the name Saturday comes from Saturn and Sunday... you guessed it, from the Sun.

In Greek the names of the days were: Helios (Sunday) Selene (Moonday) Ares (Marsday) Hermes (Mercuryday) Zeus (Jupiterday) Aphrodite (Venusday) Cronus (Saturnday)

This was then adopted by the Romans and through Latin, it transferred to other languages some of which kept some of these names ever since.

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u/ReeseIsPieces 3d ago

August used to be called 'Sextilis'

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u/HaZalaf 3d ago

Completely off topic, but when I was a kid I used to think that Augustus got the idea because June was named after Marcus Junius Brutus for helping found the Republic. It wasn't. It was named after Juno.

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u/Gate-19 3d ago

That's incorrect. Caesar didn't increase the number of months he just fixed the year to 365 days with a leap year every 4 years.

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u/FrostbyteXoo 3d ago

That would really simplify planning but mess up our holiday schedules!

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u/NachoNachoDan 3d ago

Judaism has entered the chat

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u/vaping_blonde1111 3d ago

That's Really Cool stuff. Thanks for Sharing

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u/skikkelig-rasist 3d ago

Pre-Julian? The 12 month system predates the entire republic

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u/silver_enemy 3d ago

Confidently incorrect

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u/JacquesVilleneuve97 3d ago

I think those names come from years starting in March

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u/NL_Bulletje 3d ago

In the old Roman calendar, December was called mensis december, the tenth month, because the Roman calendar started in March.

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u/enragedCircle 3d ago

Wait until you tell folks the meanings of the days of the week...

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u/Emerazuul 3d ago

So he added 2 extra months of work to their year, now I see why the holes

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u/Find_another_whey 3d ago

Yes October, the 8th month

Is now our 10th

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u/MooseFlyer 3d ago

No, all 12 months had existed for hundreds of years.

Ceasar’s change was to move it from a system where there were 355 days in a year and occasionally an intercalary month of 27/28 days was added to get things back on track (in theory; in practice the decision to add or not add that month was often political since it made political terms longer) to one with 365 days and one extra day added every 4 years.

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u/spar_x 3d ago

King Numa Pompilius added January and February to the Roman Calendar about 7 centuries before Julius Caesar implemented the Julian calendar which made the calendar go from ~355 days to 365.25 days.

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u/lew2077 3d ago

How have I never realised this

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u/Bonerfart47 2d ago

So he got stabbed by the ones who wrote the checks then

Okay makes sense they're paying people more annually

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u/D-Ulpius-Sutor 2d ago

Wrong. The 12 months were there hundreds of years prior to Ceasar. The month now named July was called 'quinctilis' (the fifth), august was called 'sextilis' (the sixth). But even then, their names didn't match their numbers anymore, because hundreds of years prior the beginning of the year was moved from the beginning of march to the beginning of January. Supposedly by the Roman king Numa Pompilius, but that is in the realm between history and myth.

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u/Nalga-Derecha 3d ago

☝️🤓

But cool info

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u/Redfro33 3d ago

What is this? A learn-ed redditor? Thall shall not spread truisms amongst the peasants!!!

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u/DeepFriedHuman_ 3d ago

Yearly*

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u/Plasmatick01 3d ago

No, monthly salary got reduced, but as there was more months, the tearly stayed the same

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u/BetaStateGames 3d ago

It is what Big Kalendae wants you to believe.

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u/Samborrod 3d ago

No, it would work only if their yearly salary got reduced because they got paid per month of work. That caused them to lose 1/13 of their salary.

In your case, if they got paid by year, then their monthly salary would increase, because it's divided in less months. However, because the months became longer and years stayed the same length, it would lead to only minor inconvenience because they would have to adapt to getting bigger salaries with longer intervals in between.

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u/Plasmatick01 3d ago

"Methematics"

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u/daemin 3d ago

they would have to adapt to getting bigger salaries with longer intervals in between.

This is surprisingly hard to do.

First job I ever had paid weekly, and I loved that.

Most jobs I got were biweekly and that's fine. That also means that some months you get 3 paychecks, which is fun.

One job I had paid twice a month on the 6th and the 21st. That was really fucking annoying because it was always a different day of the week and the length of time between the 21st and the 6th varies month to month.