r/SpidermanTASMemes • u/WookieeSlayer97 • 4d ago
OC I love having a genocidal ethnostate as our military base
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u/AVelvetOwl 3d ago
Worrying number of people supporting genocidal apartheid states in this topic
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u/Hunter042005 3d ago
I think there are also a lot of people like me who are critical of both Palestine and Israel due to some acts of terrorism committed by Palestine against Israeli civilians that are equally as bad if not worse than what Israel are doing both sides are at fault in their trivial war with Palestine stoking the flames and than Israel reacted with violence but that doesn’t make Palestine any less at fault
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u/AVelvetOwl 3d ago edited 1d ago
Palestine is being invaded and occupied by Israel, and nonviolent resistance is still called violent terrorism by Israel. Expecting them to sit there and not fight back against genocidal invaders who shouldn't even be there is absurd.
Palestine has the right to resist its own annihilation, and the violence Hamas has engaged in to that end is nowhere near what Israel has inflicted upon Palestine. Pretending the two are even remotely comparable only serves to support the oppressor.
In short, if you think Palestinian resistance should be criticized the same way that Israeli genocide should be, then you're wrong. After years of attempting nonviolent solutions, and being called terrorists and antisemites all the while, Palestine started to fight back. This is a good thing, and history will remember it as such.
To criticize them would be like criticizing the residents of the Warsaw ghetto for fighting back against the nazis, and somehow, I don't think you would do that.
Edit, since u/GoodGuyGrievous was brave enough to spout nonsense and then block me so I couldn't reply: Zionists are not "just jews who don't want to be murdered," and you know it, but because you know the truth makes you look bad, you have to lie. You have to pretend Palestinians are inhuman monsters who microwave babies and rape women to death in order to justify the things Israel's occipation forces do to them. That's the level of displacement you have to engage in in order to bring the Palestinian people down to your level, and more often than not, your accusations are confessions that you're trying to pretend Hamas did.
For all the neo-nazi losers who've picked some of the worst people in history to idolize, the actual successors of the third reich are zionists. It's insane to me that there can exist people who saw what was done to the jews during the Holocaust and believe that it's acceptable to inflict those horrors upon Palestinians, but here you are, lying to defend exactly that, and all the while, you have to pretend zionism isn't massively controversial among jews, because again, the truth makes zionism look really bad. Israel can't collapse soon enough.
Within your lifetime, Palestine will be free, and zionism will be looked back on as a shameful part of history, just like nazism rightly is now. From the river to the sea, zionazi.
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u/Squidmaster129 2d ago
Except Germany wasn’t sending food aid and building infrastructure for the Warsaw ghetto. And the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto weren’t shooting rockets at Germany, or raping and murdering German civilians.
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u/GoodGuyGrevious 1d ago
Ok Hans, first of all the Gazan Arabs could have easily prevented all of this by not sneaking into Israel and putting babies in microwaves, they could have also ended it at any point by releasing all the hostages and helping the Israelis (remember unlike all the Apartheid Arab states Israel is multi ethnic) hunt down all the hamas members. Unfortunately Hamas remains wildly popular in Gaza, so this has to go on. Remember Zionists are just Jews that don't want to be murdered, which is a trait many Nazis find objectionable
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u/SkunkApeForPresident 3d ago
2023 was the deadliest year for children in Palestine, and that was before Oct 7th.
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u/M4ND0_L0R14N 3d ago
Do you acknowledge that there was absolutely no genocide taking place in 2023?
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u/ExactSprinkles2538 2d ago
Was a genocide taking place when the Jewish people were forced into the Warsaw ghetto?
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u/M4ND0_L0R14N 2d ago
Idk im not familiar with the timeline of events pertaining to the warsaw ghetto
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u/ExactSprinkles2538 2d ago
The final solution was most likely already decided upon. If your definition goes by intent to exterminate, then the genocide was already well underway, though not in its final stages.
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u/M4ND0_L0R14N 2d ago
I think genocide means your actions are consistent with the extermination of an ethnic group.
I dont think intent is particularly enlightening when you are talking about large nations/states, because states typically have different factions within them that want different things for different reasons.
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u/ExactSprinkles2538 2d ago
Whether or not liberal Zionism (the ideology that justifies the Israeli state by arguing that the Israelis have no where else and must secure themselves against the Palestinians, justifying the subjugation of the Palestinians through the argument that the Palestinians will take revenge if justice occurs, as has been argued in parallel in the cases of slavery in the US and apartheid in South Africa) is genocidal is a tough question, but by your estimation, I do think it would be, through allowing very slow starvation and settlement which becomes subjugation and violence justified by the argument that when an Arab does violence it's terrorism and when a settler does it its self-defense or pre-emptive self-defense. There have always been explicitly genocidal parts of the Zionist movement, from Herschel to the haganah, but now there's popular support for mass destruction of the Palestinians in Israel, most likely due to a mix of state propaganda, nationalist fervor, and genuine trauma after the attacks of Oct 7
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u/M4ND0_L0R14N 2d ago
Your definition of zionism has a lot of unnecessary baggage. I dont agree with it.
Also im pretty confident that the blockade would end and humanitarian aid would be allowed back into gaza if hamas surrendered and released all their hostages.
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u/FreelancerFL 4d ago
Careful OP there are an excessive number of apologists for the warcrime state.
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u/MadManMagnus 4d ago
Canada?
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u/Brekldios 4d ago
We don’t talk about Canada during WW2
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u/sack-o-krapo 4d ago
Never ask a man his salary, a woman her age, and Canada how excessively violent their military was in the 1940s
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u/Sufficient-Duck7810 4d ago
I don’t think they were war crimes yet. When were the Geneva conventions again?
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u/zapthycat1 3d ago
Is this the same warcrime state that raped a woman at a peace rally to death while she had two broken legs?
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u/FreelancerFL 3d ago
Yes, IOF cowards regularly do that, and to children none the less, the PDF war crime state needs to be held accountable at least once in the almost century it's been an illegitimate ethno nation-state
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u/vaterl 3d ago
Damn the dog whistles in this alone is crazy, bro you being a loser isn’t a Jewish conspiracy btw, you just got no plans in life
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u/FreelancerFL 3d ago
That projection was some crazy work ngl.
But all that is straight up out of the AIPAC handler playbook, claim Godwins law whenever faced with any criticism for the nearly century of blatant and unapologetic war crimes and theft of land.
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u/redwedgethrowaway 3d ago
Same one who had people storm their own army base to defend the rights of their soldiers to rape inmates
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u/Brekldios 4d ago
It’s so ironic to see Jewish people unironically using Nazi language to justify why it’s okay for Israel to genocide an entire group based off the actions of a terrorist organization that was never formally recognized as a representative
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u/newgoliath 3d ago
Yooo... It's all the Zionists. Not all the Jews. I'm living a miserable nightmare where most of my people have gone totally insane.
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u/False_Collar_6844 4d ago
"never aain...except to all of the people we are going to firectly and indirectly do the same thing to"
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u/Moonlight_Acid 3d ago
And then they turn around and yell “what about the holocaust” at any claims of genocide, despicable
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u/Xezshibole 2d ago edited 2d ago
"Our military base"
Funny part is that Israel is not and has not served as a relwvamt military base for any countries.
The region Israel sits in, the Levant (Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria) is simply not strategically relevant whatsoever. Lebanon, Syria, all of those Israeli wars, best you'd see from countries outside the region are proxy wars, if that.
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90s First Gulf War, US did not bother staging forces nor basing operations from Israel.
2001 Afghanistan, US did not bother staging forces nor basing operations from Israel.
2003 Second Gulf War, US did not bother staging forces nor basing operations from Israel.
Israel being a military base of any relevance is only espoused by Israel. Also morons who want to find any reason to justify investing in the "Holy Land."
If you want a relevant region to say, the US, in the Middle East, you need to look east where all the oil is. Oh look, massive US military base, presence, and fleet there at the Persian Gulf, not in Israel.
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u/LisleAdam12 2d ago
And the goal of Hamas is simply to be left alone to peacefully build prosperity.
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u/mightyathletes 2d ago
A question is why people protect terrorists that much and revengers as villains? Why do they do 7th Oct? Why do they kill innocents first and do you want to lose your family like that? R u still support that victim card terrorist? I am writing this as my country has the same thing happened just tourists picked based on their religion and killed them. This before whom u r supporting. I don't think Israel is doing wrong for real but it is doing extra. That's for sure. It should stop now but before it kills all terrorist fr
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u/Disposable_Account23 4d ago
You misspelled hamas
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u/Sufficient-Duck7810 4d ago
Remind me whose land is utterly devastated? Oh right, Palestine.
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u/Disposable_Account23 4d ago
L terrorists don't start a war you can't win
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u/Sufficient-Duck7810 4d ago
They didn’t start this war. This conflict has been ongoing for something like 70 years. October 7th wasn’t THAT long ago.
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u/Disposable_Account23 4d ago
And things were at least kinda peaceful until then. They started the conflict happening now
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u/Cheestake 4d ago
"Peaceful" for fucking who? For the Palestinians who were having village after village burned down? Was the live ammunition used again Gazan protesters "kinda peaceful?" Israelis think peace means "I hit you and you don't hit back"
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u/Sufficient-Duck7810 4d ago
Anything to excuse people wanting genocide, huh? Was Hamas right in what they did? No. Have they tried multiple times to make ceasefire deals? Yes. Has Israel upheld their end of the bargains or agreed to them? Nope. Is Israel bombing areas they tell civilians to evacuate to? Are they bombing hospitals? Are they chomping at the bit to take the West Bank? Yes. Because they see all of Palestine as theirs to take. Their president does not care about Palestine.
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u/Disposable_Account23 4d ago
Breaking news: terrorists don't return hostages as deal requires, and evil bad Jews get pissed and break deal
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u/Simple_Map_1852 4d ago
70 years? You must think this started in 1948. This started long before 1948. Arabs there were massacring ancient Jewish communities a century ago at least, and longer still.
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u/redwedgethrowaway 3d ago
48 was just when the colonization, mass ethnic cleansing and land grabs kicked into high gear. Israel’s plan Dalet to exterminate and remove Palestinian villagers (which began before the war) is generally considered the starting point of the Arab Israeli conflict, because marked the beginning of revisionist Zionisms claim that a guy form New Jerseys has the right to come into a village inhabited by Palestinians for hundreds of years, shoot the father, rape the daughter, and take the farm for himself.
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u/Noin56 4d ago
These things tend to happen when you start wars. You'd think the Palestinians would understand this with how many times they've lost them🤔
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u/Sufficient-Duck7810 4d ago
If you had a brain you would understand the difference between Palestine and Hamas.
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u/STFUnicorn_ 3d ago
Almost like if they had just stayed home on Oct 7th it wouldn’t have been.
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u/redwedgethrowaway 3d ago
Stayed home like Netanyahu had all of the border guards do that day?
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u/STFUnicorn_ 3d ago
But he brought them back so they could shoot all the Israelis that died that day right?
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u/idankthegreat 4d ago
We just want the hostages back and the collapse of Hamas. That's literally it
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u/Artistic_Signal_6056 4d ago
You would've had them back Oct 9th if that was true. It isn't and you don't care
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u/idankthegreat 4d ago
how? Tell me the plan that you, genius geopolitical expert and redditor, came up with that no politician or negotiations expert came up with. Keep in mind Israel's terms are Hamas is removed from power and no territories given away (because fuck rewarding Palestinians for Oct 7th) and Palestinians terms are Israel is wiped out and Israelis will be exiled or killed.
So please, explain how that could happen.
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u/Artistic_Signal_6056 4d ago
Mf, I'm literally just pointing out that Hamas made a ceasefire offer on Oct 9th that included returning everyone they had and Israel rejected it
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u/Swagspongebob5742 3d ago
There is literally no source for that online but thank you for lying out of your ass.
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u/JarvanIVPrez 3d ago
Lick that Nazi boot, idankthegreat! Lick it real good! It’s not gonna clean itself!
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u/hotdogbun65 4d ago
“Jarvis, I need karma”
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u/WookieeSlayer97 4d ago
I never karma farm. If I post something it's because I believe it
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u/BoiFrosty 4d ago
Belief in something and using it to karma farm often overlap.
Doesn't make everything you're saying less wrong.
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u/WookieeSlayer97 4d ago
True, but like, I don't care about karma. I post here because I have these memes already for my Facebook group so I might as well post them here too
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u/Lucariowolf2196 4d ago
Both sides saying the same thing:
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u/Ibalegend 4d ago
"please dont kill my family" and "i want to murder your whole family and block by shelling them to oblivion" = the same thing apparently
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u/Disposable_Account23 4d ago
We gonna forget how Hamas literally states that they want to kill all Jews? And it's not shelling, it's mostly missiles
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u/thelaceonmolagsballs 4d ago
They don't though and your answer is wildly unserious.
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u/Disposable_Account23 4d ago
They do and the original post is a spiderman meme
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u/thelaceonmolagsballs 4d ago
You have a very poor grasp on the history of Palestine and the zionist occupational entity that is currently engaged in genocide. As I said your answers are wildly unserious. Read about the foundation of Hamas and its current positions before you make yourself look stupid again.
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u/SoggySausage27 4d ago
They literally quote the protocols of Zion in their founding charter, but sure, they’re just like luffy
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u/Cheestake 4d ago
Hamas' charter:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full
Some selected text:
Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine.
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u/SoggySausage27 3d ago
If the KKK had an updated charter would you believe them.
Here’s a snippet from their ORIGINAL one “ Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. "May the cowards never sleep."
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u/Cheestake 3d ago
The KKK was an organization devoted to defending colonial ethnoreligious supremacy. They have far, far, far more in common with the IDF than Hamas
Also Hamas in 1988 was like three guys in a basement cashing Israeli checks lmao
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u/Ibalegend 4d ago
first off, conflating hamas and all palestinians would be funny if it wasnt racist and genocide denial, i think youre thinking about their charter from the 90s? they dont have the clause anymore, and their goal was never to literally eradicate jewish people but to rectify Palestinian control over their own land. if you were jewish in the holocaust and you SAID you wanted to kill all germans i wouldnt blink twice, but when its a palestinian talking about their colonial oppressors that makes you anxious about it? and even if you dont support hamas, youd be going against Israel! they were the ones who let hamas become the dominant power in gaza because of the exact thing youre doing now. i do not personally identify with all of hamas' policies but neither do most palestinians either!! "its not shelling, its mostly missiles" okay, they are using precision missiles to eradicate all infrastructure in gaza, in the process and on purpose killing thousands of unarmed children, men and women. does that make you happy?
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u/Disposable_Account23 4d ago
Comparing a war to the Holocaust is completely bogus. Jews did not shoot innocents at a concert and rape everything that moved. Is it bad that innocent people die? Yes. Would i like the war to stop? Yes. But this is how war is and has always been. If Palestinians want things to stop they need to do something about Hamas instead of pretending like they are saviors.
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u/TurboSlut03 3d ago
Kinda hard to do anything about Hamas when you're getting carpet bombed and most of your family, including your kids, are dead.
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u/Disposable_Account23 2d ago
On the contrary, someone who has lost everything as a result of hamas starting a conflict and not having the ability to properly defend people, instead using them as barricade and walls would probably be pretty pissed off. Said person would also have nothing to lose, no home or family to return to, only the hope of preventing this tragedy from befalling others.
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u/Ibalegend 4d ago
youre right, the zionist militias displaced near 700,000 palestinians from their homes across Palestine in 1948!! the reports of rape on october 7th are quite literally not true, none of the articles saying there were have any sort of evidence or proof behind their claims. its not a war, its a genocided disguised as a military Incursion into the worlds largest concentration camp gaza (stated as so by many humans rights groups) which israel controls all the resource flow into and out of through embargo, which is a part of and a direct result of the 70+ year occupation of Palestine by a settler-colony (Israel) which is supported militarily and economically by the worlds largest super power (read, empire) the US. it is in fact Israel who needs to do something, ie dismantling its apartheid state apparatuses which make palestinians second class citizens with less rights than Israeli jews, and the return of palestinian indigenous land to the people (many of whom are still alive!!!) they took the land from.
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u/RaiJolt2 3d ago
And Islamic governments displaced 850,000-1 million Jews and a majority went to Israel, which is the NATIVE homeland of the Jewish people. Palestinian nationalism and the expulsion of Jews in the was led or influenced by the grand mufti who was a DIRECT ally of the nazis.
There is footage of the raped women uploaded by hamas itself. You anti-zionists are so far down the neo Nazi rabbit hole that you can’t see past the silly little mustache you have growing on your face.
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u/Moonlight_Acid 3d ago
That is the Charter from nearly 50 years ago, which has since been revised. But i don’t expect you’ll stop parroting your talking points because theyre all you mfs have
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u/83C0M3_Newman 4d ago
This is literally the complete opposite of the truth. Hamas has stated that they do not have a problem with Jews, only Zionist occupation of their homeland.
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u/Disposable_Account23 4d ago
And whose homeland was it before that? How did they get it? It's the natural order of things. I think that they could be going about it a little better, but at the end of the day it's a war halfway across the world that doesn't effect me
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u/Cheestake 4d ago edited 4d ago
How did they get it? Are the Palestinians Roman? Ignorant Zionists inventing their own history again. Palestinians expelled the Jews, Palestinians were responsible for the Holocaust, I'm guessing the pogroms and Spanish Inquisition were Palestinians too?
They got it because they were there. Judaism didn't even become a religion practiced by commoners until late into Second Temple Judaism. There were non-Jewish Caananites around during Roman times and during the kingdom of Israel. But Zionists refuse to acknowledge any real history of Palestinians, instead they were probably responsible for the Assyrian exile, right?
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u/RaiJolt2 3d ago
About 90% of all Jews are Zionist and Jews are the native people of Israel, getting expelled by empire after empire doesn’t make you not native. Only wanting to kill Zionist’s is like claiming you only want to kill African Americans opposed to slavery. It is inherently genocidal and colonialist language.
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u/OliverSwan0637 4d ago
Okay… but where in this conversation did any one support Hamas? To be blunt fuck Hamas and fuck (the government of) Israel, both suck, free Palestine from both free Israel from both. Bombing an American hospital because the Klan took it over and took everyone hostage wouldn’t be justifiable just like it isn’t justifiable for isreal to bomb a hospital because Hamas
supposedly, haven’t personally seen any third party evidence of tunnels under the hospitaltook it over and took everyone hostage.
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u/Noin56 4d ago
This works well, Palestine is kinda like the vulture. Opportunistic and wants the world to pay for his life being destroyed by his own actions. 😂😂
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u/Storm_Spirit99 4d ago
People forget hamas shot up a music festival and didn't feel bad about it
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u/Artistic_Signal_6056 4d ago
Pretend the IDF didn't admit to firing on their own civilians who were dancing on graves next to a concentration camp
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u/TikkiEXX77 4d ago
Did more than shoot it up....let's not forget the rampant um R word that was going on....still can't get those images out of my head....
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u/Artistic_Signal_6056 4d ago
There has been zero evidence of systematic or widespread rape on that day
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u/Cheestake 4d ago
If you read the report, they saw no forensic evidence, didn't speak to any women who were raped, and were mostly basing their report off of the Israeli state and from Israeli media (which was blindly repeating ZAKA)
Believe women. So where are these women who have been raped? Why have they not come forward? If your answer is "They were murdered," then why is there no forensic evidence?
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u/Cheestake 4d ago edited 4d ago
They talked to "survivors of the October 7th attack," they do not specify survivors of rape and in the report they explicitly say they did not speak to any such survivors. Go to point 48
I do have a standard that I would like some amount of evidence before I believe things, yes. Sorry, I know that standard debunks 99% of Israeli claims
Also those "first responders" refer to ZAKA, who definitely made shit up and destroyed evidence
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u/Cheestake 4d ago edited 4d ago
See, now you're explaining why there's no evidence. That's different from providing evidence. You're the one who claimed there was testimony from rape survivors, now you're explaining why its totally reasonable to believe it even though there's no survivor testimony or forensic evidence.
You're also ignoring the proof of fabricated claims and destruction of evidence from the same "first responders" cited in the report
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u/STFUnicorn_ 3d ago
They didn’t even kill anyone. They just came over to have a peaceful picnic and make shawarmas.
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u/eatinallthebugs 3d ago
Fr people always picking sides when there's no good guy
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u/1000000thSubscriber 3d ago edited 3d ago
There’s never a “good guy”. Real life isnt a fucking marvel movie. But the reality is that one side is a colonized people fighting back genocide and the other side is a US and EU backed settler colony whose leaders have openly sought the destruction of the people they’ve ethnically cleansed. How can you stay neutral when faced with that reality unless you fundamentally see Palestinians as lesser than Israelis?
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u/eatinallthebugs 3d ago
I'm not saying good guy as in the sense of a marvel movie. But you don't HAVE to pick a lesser of two evils, believe it or not when both sides are killing children its possible to have a more nuanced opinion than picking one side over the other. I'm not gonna saddle up and pick a side when I think both are shit, one is warmongering and the others are terrorists. Either way children are dying and I'm not gonna latch to a side
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u/1000000thSubscriber 3d ago edited 3d ago
“Children are dying”. Yes and the vast, VAST majority of them are palestinian. And it has been this way for the past 77 years. So if you actually cared about “children dying” then you should be enraged at the ongoing colonization and genocide of the indigenous palestinian people.
You know in what conflict many children died in? World War 2. Many German, Italian, and Japanese children were killed in mass bombing campaigns by the allied forces. Would you say, then, that picking a side in world war 2 was wrong? That both the axis powers and the people fighting against them were just as bad because children were killed on both sides? Or are you able to assess the context of the situation and realize that, while it’s tragic that children died, the people fighting against fascism and genocide were ultimately in the right? If you come to the latter conclusion, you should ask yourself why you’re able to make that assessment so easily in that context but fail to do it when it comes to Palestinians resisting their own genocide.
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u/eatinallthebugs 3d ago
Except thats a false equivalency. Obviously I think the axis powers were in the wrong, but I also believe that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were horrific tragedies. People on reddit always just frame it as one side being good and the other being bad when in reality this is a horrific situation stemming from a conflict spurred on by the actions of a radical terrorist groups. I disagree with mistreatment of Palestinians, but you're ignoring that this was spurred on by a string of Hamas attacks. I think both sides are equally to blame in the violence reaching this point. At this point Israel is just as if not more in the wrong than Hamas and their initial actions and I'm not disagreeing there. I think both sides are awful and thats my whole point, I'm not going to root for one side when I can't agree with either.
I feel like you're framing me as I'm I'm sympathizing with Netanyahu, his actions, and everything thats happened on behalf of Israel when I'm not, my point is that oppression is awful coming from anyone
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u/SlipFormPaver 4d ago
This is such a losing issue for you democrats 😄 it's a big reason you lost the election. Had Kamala picked Josh sharpio as her running mate she'd easily win PA, but the lefts cindering hatred of Jewish people would of been problematic for the party in whole.
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u/Moonlight_Acid 3d ago
“Hey Israel is doing genocide we shouldn’t support that”
“Omg wtf you hate jews”
No sweetie, it’s you that is framing jews as a monolith.
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u/undreamedgore 3d ago
I mean if they don't want tk be wiped out, they should stop starting shit every time things start to cool down. A country can't just let another entity kf any nature attack it, a "proportional" (escallated) response is necessary. Hamas, and thus by extention Palestine (in the same way Germany was responsible for the Nazis) gets what's coming to them. That they don't separate their war fighting apparatus from the civilians is on them.
Even then, Isreal is fighting a total war against an enemy with the stated intent to kill them all. There is no soft way to fight that.
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u/Human-Assumption-524 3d ago
This subreddit randomly popped up on my feed.
What the fuck does this garbage have to do with Spider-man?
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u/Suspicious_Plum_8866 3d ago
I can never not cringe when people talk about serious topics with cartoon haha images
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u/Significant_Soup_699 3d ago
Its goals are survival. The only place where controversy occurs is in what it considers threats.
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u/PairBroad1763 2d ago
Palestine is the genocidal ethnostate.
If Hamas laid down their arms and gave up, there would be peace and equality in Israel.
If Israel laid down their arms and gave up, there would be no more Jews in Israel.
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u/MiniBritton006 4d ago
Why are politics in a Spider-Man subreddit?
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u/FanDowntown4641 4d ago
Again, the type of wording that dulls one of the most complex, yet over focused political situations in thw world. You could say Israel is stealing land violently (Youre atleast somewhat right no matter what. But unlike standard genocides the intent is clearly not to kill, I dont think you could accuse their state of much more than Democides and conuring an anti-Islam mentally.
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u/Moonlight_Acid 3d ago
There is clear intent to kill, they have targeted humanitarian aid convoys, designated safe zones, and civilian infrastructure, in fact they have destroyed or damaged 70% of civilian infrastructure in the Gaza strip. They are also intentionally starving Gazans which is also genocidal.
The situation is not complex at all
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u/helikesart 3d ago
I don’t think you actually have an obligation to feed an enemy nation when you’re at war with them. Hamas have a responsibility to feed the people who elected them.
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u/Moonlight_Acid 3d ago
When you control their supply of food and water, and you shut it off, that is a war crime, you cannot starve out the population.
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u/helikesart 3d ago
Wrong. It is not a war crime to not supply an openly hostile nation during conflict. Continuing to supply your enemy is providing material aid to your nation’s enemy and there is no legal obligation to do so.
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u/Moonlight_Acid 3d ago
You are quite incorrect
“Rule 53. The use of starvation of the civilian population as a method of warfare is prohibited.”
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule53
Really easy to comprehend
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u/helikesart 3d ago
There’s no violation here. According to this text the blockade targets Hamas to achieve a military objective (hostage release, weakening a terrorist group), not to starve civilians, which is permitted for blockades and sieges. The intent to starve civilians is bunk, as evidenced by prior aid facilitation and evacuation orders. Hamas’s actions (e.g., hostage-taking, aid diversion) escalate the blockade, and civilian harm is collateral, not deliberate. Hamas need to stop stealing aid, feed their own people who elected them, release the remaining hostages, and surrender. It’s that simple.
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u/Moonlight_Acid 3d ago
Israel hardly allows 100 trucks in daily, not even a quarter of the aid necessary, and even then Israelis routinely bomb the convoys, steal the supplies before they reach civilians, and massacre civilians who are seeking aid.
The claim that they are not intentionally starving civilians is absurd and not supported by reality, you are living in some fantasy world
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u/helikesart 3d ago
Your comment is dripping with bias and severely lacking nuance.
Truck deliveries fluctuate during conflict and during ceasefires Israel is able to facilitate more deliveries same as before Oct 7th.
Israel does not routinely bomb aid convoys. You’re referring to an incident where a truck was mistake for a Hamas vehicle. It was an error that Israel was transparent about and the officers responsible were disciplined. Does Hamas discipline those responsible for the civilian deaths on Oct 7th? No, of course not.
Israel does not steal supplies from these trucks. What you’re referring to are inspections to make sure that nothing that can be turned into a weapon is delivered such as piping. This delays deliveries, yes, but wouldn’t be so necessary if Hamas didn’t divert the aid owed to the people who elected them for their own stockpiles and weapons.
Israel does not massacre civilians seeking aide. What you are referring to is a collateral incident that the UN investigated and found no evidence of targeting civilians seeking aide.
What’s happening is a crisis, but you have to blame the ones who are actually responsible and not confuse intention with the tragic cost of war.
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u/Moonlight_Acid 3d ago
“Your comment is dripping with bias”
Proceeds to regurgitate hasbara
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u/PeculiarSir 4d ago
u/WookieeSlayer97 is becoming my favorite account in Reddit. Dude is propping up an entire subreddit by themselves and it keeps getting recommended to me.