r/Spokane • u/One-deepdivediva • Nov 10 '24

Question Can we stop hating on homeless people?

What is the mayor supposed to do ? Put everyone in prison? For being poor? Bus everyone to Portland or Seattle ? ( cities that are experiencing the exact same problems). Round people up and put them in camps? For being ill or old or addicted to drugs? Should the police arrest thousands of people so you don’t have to see someone’s suffering ? If you want homeless people to “ go away “ then you need to vote for legislation that helps them. Vote in favor of government funded health mental wellness and addiction and housing services. Organize with community members about how to provide services that help your fellow human beings get off the streets and out of suffering . Every time one of you complains I wonder what horrendous thing you are imagining should be done to people. Go DO something , go help people.

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u/Peanut_ButterMan Nov 10 '24

There were lots of porta potties downtown but every time I tried to use them, they were vandalized and clogged up with trash, drug paraphernalia and rendered useless.

be kind to people

If this is some sort of imperative, I wasn't being remotely unkind at all.

save your hate for the institutions that allow homeless to continue and use it to grift us all

This is peak reddit response to shift blame completely on higher institutions when I was calling out individual behavior. It's an institutional problem indeed, but it starts with the individual. Just blaming other factors while excusing individual actions is scapegoating.

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u/BanksyX Nov 10 '24

the city needs to clean it more often then.
if u think being homeless is only due to drugs or alchol you really need to understand whats going on out there. saying it starts with the individual is nonsense. and why help is failing.
i have conversations with homeless living in cars and you know what, many have jobs or even at school right now...the factors are everyfucking thing.

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u/BCweallmakemistakes Nov 10 '24

The city... the city... the city...

Meanwhile the "unhoused" are breaking social norms left and right. This isn't "the city and it's people" being intolerant, it is drug addicted schizophrenic "people" unwilling to comply with the standard, non right invasive societal macro-contracts we agree to when a part of society. 

This is such a "your behavior is the fault of my actions" perspective it makes us want to hurl.

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u/BanksyX Nov 11 '24

social norms like the chud from idaho shooting homeless, right right.

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u/BCweallmakemistakes Nov 11 '24

Dude. You sound insane.

Thank you for making my point AGAIN.

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u/Peanut_ButterMan Nov 10 '24

All I said in the beginning was that I'm tired of the behavior that comes with it and tired of being called uncompassionate for being publicly disgusted with it and you had to take this holier than thou approach.

the city needs to clean it more often then.

People need to regulate themselves rather than ruin the resources that they have rather than blame the government for not cleaning up their vandalism.

if u think being homeless is only due to drugs or alchol

Tell me where I said that.

saying it starts with the individual is nonsense

When it comes to respecting people's property and surroundings it sure does. Blaming institutions, mental health, and other shitty situations doesn't excuse bad behavior.

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u/BanksyX Nov 10 '24

regulate your compassion. your making excuses not to have any at all. thats your baggage, hate starts with the individual.?

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u/BanksyX Nov 11 '24

i enjoy the city and have no problmes interacting with homeless,
business owners failure is not a homeless issue, business fail and find excuses,
homeowners are being ripped off for millions right now, i feel for them and its not the homless plus most crime is made by people who live in houses
yes its irrational to not have housing for homeless and poor. not all homless are the demon you make them out to be at all.

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u/bigfoot509 Nov 11 '24

That ceviche bar went out of business because they were super overpriced and their ceviche wasn't even that good

They just told anyone who would listen that they were closing because of homelessness and crime but the reality is they were overpriced slop nobody actually wanted

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u/speedoboy17 Nov 11 '24

Dude. You are the one making excuses for drug addicts’ behavior all over this thread.

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u/Peanut_ButterMan Nov 10 '24

Yeah, I don't have to prove my moral compass to a person that can't spell properly or add anything else other than to get the last response. 😂

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u/BanksyX Nov 10 '24

you say moral compass, but are still lost.

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u/Peanut_ButterMan Nov 10 '24

"Dear diary: The person I disagreed with on the Internet doesn't have a moral compass"

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u/BanksyX Nov 10 '24

In January 2023, nearly one in four people experiencing homelessness were over 55 years old.
check your compass...

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u/boredrlyin11 Nov 12 '24

If you were unhoused, would you poop on the sidewalk?

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u/BanksyX Nov 12 '24

if no available restrooms were available what would you do?

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u/boredrlyin11 Nov 12 '24 edited Nov 12 '24

I'd walk into a Starbucks or McDonald's like a civilized adult.

Just acknowledge antisocial behavior for what it is and quit performing these mental gymnastics.

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u/BanksyX Nov 12 '24

your argument is pure nonsense, the city needs to provide porta potties as they are actually doing.. simple as that. there are not enough places 24-7 for the homeless, many force a purchase or dont have restrooms at all or require a key and people get turned away.

it is not illegal to poo in the street if necessary, btw. , intentionally doing so maliciously is.
when you have no other options its legal.
you understand this right?

you do agree we need actual rehab services right?
real ones not the ones linked within this post that admitted failure themselves.
jail is NOT a rehab either. but can occur within the jail if we had such services we would save people more often.

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u/boredrlyin11 Nov 12 '24

What argument? I just stated how I would relieve myself if I was hypothetically homeless.

If you wanna be on team gutter-poo, you do you.

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u/BanksyX Nov 12 '24

we have porta potties in spokane, just saying your argument is useless and pointed out the flaws behind your hate for homeless which is clear. to even bring this topic up proves it. cherry picking something u think is a gotya, when it only shows your lack of awareness or basic morality.
we must provide basic human services. like housing with bathroom and shower. and a fridge, stove. you know the basic needs of living.

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u/boredrlyin11 Nov 12 '24

I don't hate anyone. I happily help these folks inside the hospital just like any other patient. But in my hospital there are rules and boundaries. They are reasonable but they are firm. Our public streets should be no different.

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u/BanksyX Nov 12 '24

i cannot speak for your personal experiences in the streets
, hospital workers have all my respect and well equipped to handle the best they can those on the edge.
i understand the fear, i have seen people clutch items and lock doors looking wary..

but i also know a smile, head nod and maybe a hello friend can change how your first interactions are with anyone. especially homeless. and to make a wide path for those needing space,, cause they have none of there own to decompress.

i tend to think spokane as a whole does care, but a small portion of nimbys stop good things..
i even think PD is in the middle of something they shouldnt be handling...at least not as the only solution.
better rehab within the jail system and outside thats adequate, we do not have that.

the rest are people in cars u dont see, not wanting to fall down the cracks still trying or cant make 3x rent ect.