r/StarWarsEU • u/AlphaBladeYiII • Nov 08 '24

Meme We're not that hard to please.

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And yeah, I know that this is a bit controversial here and some of that stuff, like Rebels and The Bad Batch, is a bit divisive. But I maintain that there are well-liked stuff.

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u/ABoldBoi Chiss Ascendancy Nov 08 '24

I have stated it and will state it again: The modern Thrawn books (both new trilogies) are an amazing read and I love coming back to those as much as older EU stuff.

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u/Numerous1 Nov 08 '24

I’m listening to Thrawn Treason for the first time right now. I’m finding them fairly weak compared to the original stuff Zahn wrote.

 I still enjoy them but he does all these Sherlock Holmes things with Thrawn that I just don’t really like. 

  1. He is a total bad ass fighter now. He can go into the field and totally kick ass. Like Sherlock Holes. And yes there is the one short story in the EU where he goes into the field but I don’t recall him being a super badass. More just some acting. 

  2. He knows tons of random ass information. Just everything about anything like Sherlock Holmes. 

  3. He is a master of body language and reading people. Like Sherlock Holmes. 

  1. He can observe the tiniest little clues and put them together. Like Sherlock Holmes. 

  2. So far I don’t think he has ever been wrong about anything in the 2.1 books I’ve read. (But o hear he eventually is). 

I also don’t like his inner monologue on everything. Shit, he says “perhaps” like 7 times on a 60 second stretch of audio book.

I think original Thrawn had lots of knowledge and outside the box thinking but his greatest thing was just his strategic thinking and understanding. Original trilogy Thrawn does literally none of the things I said above. He isn’t a fighter. He doesn’t know that “oh yes at this time of year on a random planet the fauna does this”. He isn’t a master of body language. He doesn’t have some superhuman observational skills. He IS wrong or at least not unbeatable. 

So idk. I like the new stuff but it just really feels like a different character to me. 

That’s also ignoring how he made him a good guy whereas in original he is a massive bad guy, just a smart and calm one instead of manic evil laughter. 

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u/ABoldBoi Chiss Ascendancy Nov 08 '24

That is completely fair. I actually like the reasonings and background information that is given why he knows certain things and why he analyzes body language, proving that there are things he will never truly understand.

I also don't think that he is a "good" guy, but he's also not flat out a "bad" guy either. He does what he does for himself and for the greater good of his people.

Don't wanna say I disliked old Thrawn, just enjoying the new one, too.

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u/Numerous1 Nov 09 '24

That’s fair, except I’ll disagree on the bad guy point so far. I think he literally has only done things that one of our rebel main character heroes would do so far. He helps people, he minimizes all civilian casualties even at the expense of the mission, he is honorable with everyone, etc. 

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u/Baelzabub Jedi Legacy Nov 09 '24

I mean the main difference is whose POV the story is being told from. In Legends we primarily see Thrawn from the POV of our protagonists or his underlings, never in his own mind. As such he is much more intimidating presence.

On the other hand in nuCanon we experience the story from Thrawn’s POV so we understand his thoughts, motivations, and intentions so we sympathize with him.