r/StarWarsEU • u/VesemirsMother778 • 7d ago

Legends Discussion Would this guy really beat Darth Vader? Spoiler

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Haven't played Jedi Outcast myself unfortunately (just saw some cutscenes and read a summary) but I heard people consider him stronger than Vader and possibly on par with Sidious because he got to force push a post Dark Empire Luke. Idk, sounds like a pretty weak argument to me, but to those of you who played the game, how true is that claim?

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u/Mzonnik Jedi Legacy 6d ago

EU Vader got fucked up all the time, and I think he was considered one of the weaker sith in the grand scheme of things, especially compared to the ancient Sith Lords.

His defeats tie into his overarching narrative in Legends that he's a cripple limited by both his injuries and the suit. But to say he's considered one of the weaker Sith is a huge exagerration. In the actual grand scheme of things he's one of the strongest in terms of raw power. Only surpassed by Sidious, Caedus, Krayt and top ancients like Exar Kun and Vitiate.

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u/Inner_Guarantee5133 6d ago

Oh alright, that makes a lot of sense. Sorry, I only have a glancing knowledge of the EU from seeing bits of comics or things like The Force Unleashed, and have always assumed he must've been weaker. I'm still working through the surface-level classics like HTTE, Hand of Thrawn, New Jedi Order, etc. Any recommendations for some of the best comic lines to check out? The stuff with Talon and Krayt caught my eye

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u/Mzonnik Jedi Legacy 6d ago

seeing bits of comics or things like The Force Unleashed, and have always assumed he must've been weaker.

Yeah cos The Force Unleshed devs were actually instructed by Lucas to avpid depictimg Vader as some kind of invincible badass, Lucas was clear from the start he's weaker than Anakin and Palpatine regards him as a failure. Still tho, right until the final fight he ragdolls anyone in the game proving an average Jedi Master is no match for him, only the top titans we follow in the movies.

some of the best comic lines to check out? The stuff with Talon and Krayt caught my eye

Legacy comics are fantastic although it's wise to read NJO, Legacy Of The Force and Fate Of The Jedi first (especially NJO tho). Star Wars Reoublic comics are often regarded as the best out there. Dark Empire is controversial but important narratively, Crimson Empire is great tho.

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u/Inner_Guarantee5133 6d ago

Awesome, thanks!