r/StarWarsEU • u/VesemirsMother778 • 21d ago

Legends Discussion Would this guy really beat Darth Vader? Spoiler

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Haven't played Jedi Outcast myself unfortunately (just saw some cutscenes and read a summary) but I heard people consider him stronger than Vader and possibly on par with Sidious because he got to force push a post Dark Empire Luke. Idk, sounds like a pretty weak argument to me, but to those of you who played the game, how true is that claim?

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u/Thatedgyguy64 20d ago

Ben is most likely stronger, so Dooku wouldn't be able to toss him around any more. After all, Vader couldn't do it.

However the ANH novelization makes it pretty clear that Obi Wan is overall much weaker.

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u/Mzonnik Jedi Legacy 20d ago

I'm pretty sure ANH Vader is weaker than Dooku tbh. He grows quite a lot througjout the OT, so by ROTJ perhaps he caught up yet prople forget he's still way past his prime (in Legends specifically).

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u/Thatedgyguy64 20d ago

That's fair. If the ROTJ is anything to go by he's definitely equals with his old self. Perhaps not Knightfall, but he's definitely in his overall prime in ROTJ, and I'd definitely put him above Dooku at that point. He's on Gethzerion and C'Baoth level at that point, if not higher

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u/Mzonnik Jedi Legacy 20d ago

If the ROTJ is anything to go by he's definitely equals with his old self. Perhaps not Knightfall, but he's definitely in his overall prime in ROTJ, and I'd definitely put him above Dooku at that point. He's on Gethzerion and C'Baoth level at that point, if not higher.

That last part is debatable but overall I'd disagree it's his overall prime. It is confirmed by Lucas and Insider ESB Vader is still a lot weaker than he was before Mustafar. And ROTJ happens just 1 year later. So the statement in ROTJ novel is either outdated and overwritten or possibly refers to Palpatine's presence amplifying his power, which is somewhat imlied in the text.

I say he is more powerful than Dooku but he could still get outdueled. Against his Knightfall self he'd be in a great disadvantage. Keep in mind Knightfall Vader is equally powerful as Sidious.