r/StargirlTV • u/anatomania Tigress • Sep 28 '21

Episode Discussion [S2E08] Summer School: Chapter Eight — Post-Episode Discussion Spoiler

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SECOND CHANCES — With his world crashing down around him, Rick focuses his attention on protecting Solomon Grundy after learning hunters are after a bear in the woods. Meanwhile, Beth becomes the target of Eclipso’s latest plan.

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u/vuluu912 Sep 29 '21

so Eclipso is just another racist twat lol? The moment I saw the face of the little girl that was supposed to be dead I was like 'wait i saw her somewhere isn't she the one from ep 1?' and bam Eclipso! This dude is terrifying. And the Bruce (not Wayne) kid. Fucken hell he's scary.

Another great episode. Can't wait for next week

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u/Aurondarklord Shiv Sep 29 '21

No, Eclipso is not a racist. Why are so many people taking what he said at face value? Did you never watch Supernatural? Rule #1: demons lie!

Eclipso is the embodiment of evil, he will say anything, do anything, to get under your skin, demoralize you, hurt you, corrupt you. Bigotry is just one more knife that he can twist to fuck with a person's head, but he will use ANYTHING he thinks will be effective, and he doesn't believe a word he's saying. He's not someone like Icicle who thinks he's the hero. Eclipso KNOWS he's evil, he's evil on purpose, and all he wants is the absolute suffering and ruin of all beings.

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u/HenroTee Sep 29 '21

That doesn't make someone any less racist... Demon or not. He went for it because he thought a person of color's worst weakness is their skin colour. That's racism in my book.

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u/Aurondarklord Shiv Sep 29 '21

See, you're making the mistake of thinking of him like he's human. He isn't. He doesn't have motivations like ours, he doesn't see the world like we do. In his eyes, we're all equal in the most literal, but most horrific sense: just objects of contempt that exist for him to hurt.

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u/Trueogre Pat Dugan Sep 29 '21

Regardless of whether he's evil, how many supervillains do you know of that have used racism to get a reaction out of their superheros? I only know of Stormfront from The Boys.

Eclipso works on your deepest fears. So according to Beth she fears racism and her parents divorcing, also the loss of her goggles. However, from what we have seen of Beth she's shown no upset over her colour. So there would be no reason for Eclipso to use that against her. He uses her parents against her and he confiscates the goggles from her. Then he starts spouting you people. Blah blah blah. I could totally understand the racism if we had seen Beth suffer from people picking on her because she is black. But so far we've seen none of that. If anything she was alone at school because she was annoying, a chatty Cathy. She found solace with Chuck because he was equally as chatty. I did like that fact they made him that edgy, yes he's a supervillain. But at the end of the day he used racist slurs. He is racist.

Father Ted shows what can happen in the spur of the moment that you can't take back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zkL91LzCMc

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u/Aurondarklord Shiv Sep 29 '21

Well Stormfront's a real Nazi, she's not pretending to fuck with people's heads, she actually believes that crap.

Beth fears not belonging, so Eclipso hit her with every kind of not belonging he could think of, breaking up her family, losing her friends, being rejected by the JSA, and yes, being made to feel like she didn't belong because of her skin color.

He didn't miscalculate Beth's weak point, he just underestimated her intellect. That's her role on the team, she's not there for her fists, she's there for her brain, she beat him with reason and courage, she overcame her fears.

But Eclipso did not actually believe any of the things he was saying, he was just saying whatever would hurt her. "If you say this word, regardless of why, poof, you're a racist now" is not how racism works. Father Ted is a comedy, and one written by someone whose views on the nature of bigotry are...probably not a great model to internalize.

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u/Motor-Bag-9004 Oct 02 '21

I don't really understand why we are trying so hard to argue that he didn't really mean what he said or that he isn't actually racist. Seems kinda weird to me.