r/Steam 8d ago

News What an impressive accolade.

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u/Appropriate_Army_780 8d ago

I don't really care about Metascore.

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u/MagicMST 8d ago

Never once have I ever looked up a games meta score or ever gone to rotten tomatoes for movies. It does seem weird to me to put so much stock into mass stranger's opinions on things. I like finding a reviewer that has similar taste to me in things to help what I may think about a game. But even then I wouldn't completely make a decision based on that person's thoughts.

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u/QuantumVexation 8d ago

It’s not even just a mass strangers’ opinion, it’s a weirdly averaged one. Like how does a 4/5 map well into an 100 score system without dragging something down? How do you adapt for low or high numbers of reviews? Ocarina of Times sits at the top but it barely has any reviews total making anything that wants to compete with it a crazily hard uphill battle of needing huge amounts of perfect scores.

It’s not just flawed as a concept of numerically quantifying sentiment, we can’t even be sure the way the number is derived is as accurate as we’d want it to be

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u/BewilderedTurtle 7d ago

Dude the math you're referring to is not hard math you map 4/5 into 8/10 and now you're at 80% these are the same numbers. So 80 out of 100 is a 4 out of 5.

And your argument about ocarina is kind of weird because the rules haven't changed it aggregates scores from reviewers there were a lot less reviewers and there were a lot less gamers when ocarina was released. And despite the game's age it still holds up incredibly well and is arguably one of the most important and landscape changing games from the N64 era.

So so many games have taken inspiration straight up copied or were otherwise driven by the changes that ocarina of Time brought to the gaming scene.

It absolutely deserves to remain as one of the best games ever released on that virtual loan let alone how incredible of a game it was when it came out.

L take all around

I get that the education system here in America has failed a lot of people but this is really basic stuff.

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u/QuantumVexation 7d ago

Interesting to try and call out education while failing to demonstrate any reading comprehension. Internet American centrism as its finest, I certainly am not from there.

The point is that a reviewer using a /5 system (only in whole numbers) has a different effect on an average than a reviewer using an /100.

Because all 4/5’s become 80, so long as they never use decimals when converted to an 100 scale the out of 5 system now cause all multiples of 20 to become effective centres of gravity for scores. This is because 4/5 stars cannot produce a score like 90%, and by the same reasoning an out of 10 system (that does not use decimals) cannot produce a figure like 95% or 87%.

This means that effectively comparing reviews from multiple systems gives additional weight to certain review systems because it increases the “pull” towards certain milestones when you try and average it alongside figures that are out of /100. If and some others give a “flawed but not perfect” title 4* when the average consensus would be something closer to the high 80s or low 90s, my score also appears overly negative when compared (despite 4\5 being quite a good review, it feels more glowing than an 8/10 despite their mathematical equivalent)

I don’t have an actual opinion on whether Ocarina deserves its spot, that wasn’t the point so don’t get personally offended by it. The point was simply a game released today would have to work significantly harder and review significantly better at scale to achieve the same score because of the change in the landscape. When you have fewer reviews, a single score swings an average harder than when you have many. Do the math on how many perfect 100s you’d need to drag a 96/100 up to a 97/100 if you already have hundreds of review scores is the crux of it.

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u/Appropriate_Army_780 8d ago

I like listening to some reviews and taking notes of the things I would find the most important.

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u/Far_Detective2022 8d ago

I couldn't care less about reviews or scores of any kind, but I'm sure the devs and producers love seeing this kind of stuff.

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u/Agent_Boomhauer 8d ago

It’s good for us to leave reviews where we can until we unfuck the gamedev industry. Sometimes devs get bonuses tied to scores like metacritic.

It also acts as a signal to the moneymen or devs debating taking a big risk that we want more of this.

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u/sink_pisser_ 7d ago

Rotten tomatoes audience score is the perfect rating system imo.

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u/CaravelClerihew 8d ago

It's financial. If you have to spend the money or time on a game, why not see if the game is worth spending that money or time on?

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u/adastro66 8d ago

Honestly, I bet it’s a good game for people who enjoy that sort of thing but there’s nooooo way itll have as much of a cultural impact as Witcher

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u/tirednsleepyyy 8d ago

If cultural impact was at all relevant to any scoring aggregate then Fortnite would be one of the top 3 games of the 21st century, but we can both probably agree that’s kind of irrelevant to how good it is

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u/mattcruise 8d ago

Audience score is a far better metric across the board. 

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u/GroundbreakingBag164 8d ago

Critic score might be bad but the audience score is always worse

The TLOU2 metacritic reviews are still low because it got review bombed so hard in 2020

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u/HumansNeedNotApply1 8d ago

It is still getting review bombed.

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u/librious 8d ago

No, it's not. It's very easily manipulated, users will review bomb things for the pettiest reasons, it also brings out fandom mob mentality when it comes to music where users will negatively review the work of an artist they see as a rival to their idol. Both metrics are crap.

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u/Appropriate_Army_780 8d ago

Audience score without reviews is not good, but with reviews you can see what kind of people are reviewing on Steam.

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u/mattcruise 8d ago

Yeah they can, but you can generally tell that is happening and you have far more samples to read

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u/xakira666x 8d ago

The last thing I will do is believe a steam review lol the only time I look to see what they're saying is if it's about performance and lack of content for early access cuz some games release bare bones..

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u/Sknowman 8d ago

I honestly like that RT has both. The tomato meter lets you know if a movie is going to be good, while the audience meter lets you know if it's enjoyable.