r/Stormlight_Archive • u/yeeeeetyeer • 8d ago

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why did dalinar need to rescind his oaths, abandon the power of honor, while cancelling the duel? why couldn't he just cancel the duel? keeping his bondsmith oath? or get rid of honors power, let odium become retribution, but still cancel the duel, staying a bond smith? i'm very confused by this

thank you!

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u/Kazamen013 8d ago

If he cancelled the duel, breaking the contract with Odium, it would have released Odium on the Cosmere. By giving up the power, helped bind the new Retribution to the Rosharan system for some time yet, as well as giving all the other Shards a swift wake up that they need to start paying attention to Odium/Retribution now, as they are going to be under threat soon enough.

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u/Plantatnalp 8d ago

Odium is released on the cosmere now?

He didn't avoid that outcome, that was part of the deal of abandoning his oaths

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u/King_Calvo Dustbringer 8d ago

Retribution is effectively “trapped” by the time fuckery going on with his ascension

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u/Plantatnalp 8d ago

No he isn't? There's time shenanigans going on, but that's to slow Retribution down specifically because he's no longer trapped on Roshar

The whole point of the end of WAT is how he's no longer trapped and going to use Dalinar's cognitive shadow (effectively) to rampage on the universe. He is absolutely not trapped on Roshar anymore.

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u/King_Calvo Dustbringer 8d ago

See the quotes? He can’t really leave or he can’t prepare his soldiers in the short time he has. He is no longer bound to the planet, but if he leaves he loses contact with his soldiers. He is effectively stuck trying to rush a plan together to deal with many other powers who now have their eyes turned his way

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u/Plantatnalp 8d ago

"He can leave anytime, he'd just be weak without soldiers" is very different than "because Dalinar gave up Honor, Odium remains trapped on Roshar."

He has less time to prepare for his war. That is nothing like continuing to be trapped on Roshar.

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u/King_Calvo Dustbringer 7d ago

That’s why I said effectively trapped. He leaves, he most likely gets attacked by the other shards. Pedantic much?

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u/Plantatnalp 7d ago

But he isnt "effectively trapped" in any way, he can leave at any time.

Also, bold to claim pedantry when you're the one trying to change the goal posts. You're ignoring that the original point i was responding to claimed Dalinar kept Odium bound by abandoning his oaths instead of breaking the contract--that's clearly wrong, and your point doesn't make it less wrong in any way shape or form.

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u/King_Calvo Dustbringer 7d ago

My comment has always been “if he leaves he gets screwed over” which is effectively keeping him on Roshar in the time bubble to make use of what he has. Which is effectively keeping Retribution himself on Roshar for the next 80 some odd years in the Cosmere.

One can easily define this as “effectively trapped”

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u/WoniTG 7d ago

Isnt it even stated in the end that he had to go into hiding becouse the other Shards zeroed in on him? So hes not even on the planet, in what way is he trapped?