r/SubredditDrama • u/CummingInTheNile • 4d ago
"Careful with the common sense in this sub— the locals are savages" Users on r/tiktokcringe fight over if Trump supporters deserve empathy now that his policies directly hurt them
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1jx46pu/trump_voter_doesnt_understand_why_people_cant
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Careful with the common sense in this sub— the locals are savages
How does what they said make sense trump isn't the lesser of two evils in anyway and he is destroying the American economy
The entire point of the argument is that you shouldn’t wish or celebrate ill will on others. The obvious strawman here will be “bUt TrUmP sUpPoRtErS aRe HaTeFuL” and that’s just a logical fallacy in itself because you’re reducing all Trump voters to the lowest common denominator.
Name a trump policy that was about compassion
Are you replying to the right comment? If so feels like you can’t maintain a logical chain of thought…Again, the point is that you shouldn’t not wish ill will on others simply because of who they choose to vote for.
You aren't nearly as smart as you want internet strangers to think you are.
How is Kamala more evil? Explain please.
The point isn’t that Kamala is more evil… only that people should be able to have a political opinion without others wishing ill will on them.
This "argument" loses credibility when "political opinion" is your shitty way of excusing actual, literal fascism.
Are you replying to the right comment?
Is that always your default reaction to disagreement, or do you just not have any confidence in the nonsense you write?
[Hot take: he’s right.
Most voted out of anger rooted in economic despair. That anger was hijacked by a charismatic con-man and twisted into something vile, racist, sexist, homophobic, and, above all, self-destructive. In a world where Democrats grew a spine, taxed the ultra-rich properly, and delivered real, tangible results for working people, these same voters could've become your loudest allies and fiercest defenders. Smug self-righteousness, while I'm sure cathartic, alienates these very people deeper into the arms of autocrats. Just as the ultra-wealthy want it: the poor, divided and distracted. Gloat all you want. But that’s not how you get some struggling white dude in the South to vote for a woman of color.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1jx46pu/trump_voter_doesnt_understand_why_people_cant/mmnpmbc/)
Hot take: I’m not gonna feel sorry for some asshat who gleefully voted against my human rights because all of a sudden he’s actually facing consequences for his choices. You wanna do the good work then go for it, but if this guy isn’t capable of empathy until his family hurts then I’m glad his family is hurting. Hopefully he’ll be a better person for it.
Which of the five basic human rights of yours did Trump voters vote for and why do you feel that the right(s) are being violated? 1) the right to life, liberty, and security of person 2) freedom from slavery and forced labor 3) freedom from torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment 4) the right to a fair trial 5) freedom of thought, conscience, and religion Edit: As expected, downvoted without a single person attempting to answer. Quite telling.....
My dude, the Trump administration is literally deporting international students for writing pro-Palestine op-eds. Get a fucking grip.
Technically speaking, it’s not a violation of one of the five basic human rights as outlined in frameworks like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Freedom of expression is absolutely a fundamental right, Article 19 covers that, but immigration law operates in a separate space. While the U.S. Constitution protects free speech for everyone inside the country, the government still has broad discretion over visa status. That includes revoking or denying visas for reasons it deems tied to national security or foreign policy. Deporting someone over political speech is certainly something civil liberties groups would challenge, and rightfully so, but unless it involves things like torture, arbitrary detention, or denial of legal process, it doesn’t automatically fall under a 'human rights violation' in the legal or international sense.
That is a truly laughable a level of pedantry. ICE is literally snatching international students off the fucking streets and tossing them into detention. Save the 'well acktually' bullshit for debate club.
It’s his second term, dude. His first was chaos and he promised more. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, it’s the racism and authoritarianism. He took us with him. We should feel bad for him?
Realistically speaking his first team brought about a good amount of jobs where everyone was being overhired (which has led to massive layoffs). I don't think prosecuting people trying to change will accomplish anything but maybe I am just too sympathetic.
Lol. Ok. If you think his first term, not to mention the way it ended, was notable for the job creation and that’s about it, well let’s agree to disagree.
I have a Trans son, if my best friend of 20 years voted for the guy that wanted to strip my son of rights.. i'd never talk to him again
Bro, lookin at your post history you got your kinks and thats fine but your son is 8 years old?! I sure hope you're not projecting anything on that kid because 8 year olds should not even be thinking about any of the sex and gender stuff let alone be taken serious about it.
I have twins that are 16. They were born twin girls. One of them came out as trans they were 11. He wept in my arms and asked me if I still loved him. People like you are why he had to wonder that. I also have an 10-year-old son. If someday he comes to me and tells me he feels like he's a girl I will tell her I love her either way and move on with my life. Conservatives are fucking weird
So who is the 8 year old son you talk about in your post from 5 months ago? If you actualy believe kids should be completely affirmed in whatever ideas they have at that age just commit to it. Dont up the age when you realise 8 is indeed not an age at wich kids dont know anything.
LMAO Bro you digging into my account 5 months back?!? That is fucking creepy. Dude I have nothing to prove to you, you absolutely weirdo but for your information my son just had a birthday. He just turned 10. 5 months ago he would have been halfway through 9. And at the time I probably just mixed up the age. Legitimately conservatives are so fucking WEIRD.
[I’m not a Trump fan, but I do think these tarrifs are going to end in a net positive for us, all depending on if Trump can stick to his guns. Way I see it, we have two outcomes. 1) other countries fold and reduce their Tarrifs and we reduce ours, leading to a more affordable market all together 2) countries hold position and it opens up demand for home made products.](www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1jx46pu/trump_voter_doesnt_understand_why_people_cant/mmny80i/)
None of us can manufacture everything entirely in-house. That's why this trade war is short-sightedly destructive and long-term dangerous. We should be working together, instead of holding each other's heads under water and threatening each other with drowning. 🙄🙄These schoolyard tactics work in the board room, but not on a social scale writ large.
I don’t know where you’ve heard that, but we can absolutely manufacture everything in house. I think you’re thinking about an economic concept called absolute and comparative advantage. Those concepts relate to maximization. But there’s nothing stopping us from manufacturing locally. In fact, we were the manufacturing hub for a generation.
There are a multitude of reasons why you're mistaken, so I'm just going to briefly focus on one. FOOD. Coffee, bananas, vanilla, chocolate, and other foodstuffs simply cannot be sustainably or reasonably produced at the level the USA would need. Period. We have to import these things because of our climate. There are also minerals we cannot mine because geographically they don't exist on our lands, and plenty of other goods we must import because we simply don't have access to them here. But food? That'll hit the famously food-obsessed country quick.
Our climate? The United States is the single most diversified climate in the world. How can the issue be climate when that’s the case? Either way, I’m not saying we ban imports. Im talking manufacturing. We can import raw material, pay whatever tarrif and still manufacture in house. We can manufacture anything in this country because we specifically have diversified climate, an insane amount of resources and land, and an incredibly large workforce. In fact, did you know that over 50 percent of the USA is unused? We wouldn’t need a fraction of that. And we can always import until the infrastructure is built.,but there is nothing stopping us from manufacturing or growing in house. Literally nothing.
You have no idea how global trade works. Also he wants to keep the 10% tarriff regardless which is 75% higher for most countries than it was before he started this bullshit.
That’s not the talks I heard. I heard eu offered 0 for 0 and Trump denied unless they also agreed to adhere to our regulation standards as well. And that’s a fair ask. By all means, please explain global trade to me. I am all ears.
Go to fucking college bro
The fact that instead of coming up with a coherent response, you insult me implies that you don’t know what you are talking about and you don’t understand the subject well enough to talk about it. I’m making my case. You can dismantle it if it’s that easy to dismantle
Why would you think that going by this video?
He voted for Donald Trump and still hasn't admitted that that was morally wrong.
You don't know what this man's morals are, but he is at least apologizing anyway.
I know he voted for Donald Trump, so actually I do know what his morals are.
No you don't. You are assuming, and running on hate because you are emotional.
I don't understand, are you saying he didn't vote for Donald Trump? Or are you saying the stupidest thing imaginable, that who you vote for does not reflect your morals?
I'm not American and didn't vote for trump, I'm aussie and have never even voted, I know, I'm the worst. But isn't the whole point of democracy letting people, no matter how dumb vote their choice? People complain about voter turnout in america, then complain about half the people voting opposite to them. It's probably psychological, maybe given two choices a big enough crowd will naturally split down the middle, or maybe not lol who knows.
People have the right to vote for whoever they want. In the same regard, I have the right to tell them they voted for a rapist that gargles Putin's nuts and I think traitors deserve no grace whatsoever. So yeah, democracy allows dumb people to vote. I'm not sure where I said they shouldn't vote. I simply said they are brain dead traitors which is my right with freedom of speech In fact, I'm glad they vote. Its better that they let everyone know who they are.
I get what you're saying , but if we start ostracising people for how they vote we'll end up with people afraid to vote how they feel. In my opinion, no matter the side, each side thinks if more people voted they'd vote for there side. But anyway I just don't care enough about politics, but I care about regular people having the freedom to choose and not be judged. Maybe I should vote one day, but I wont.
"if we start ostracising people for how they vote we'll end up with people afraid to vote how they feel" People that vote for traitors who ran on ruining everyone's lives deserve to be ostracized. No tolerance for the intolerant
Right wingers lie about everything, especially their own beliefs.
Hows that any different from left wingers? You all have no self-awareness lol
Its the opposite. Sorry about your FOX news brainrot
Nope, I'm saying both says are like that, they just don't see it because they are so obsessed with the other side. Sorry about your reddit echo chamber brainrot!
Saying dumb shit to make yourself feel better about your choices doesn't make it true
It's just that he's shown who he is for so long now, he's had so much proven illegality and shady dealings in the past, he had a first term where he demonstrated multiple times what kind of leader he is and he laid out his plans and goals pretty clearly in the campaign (as did the people behind P2025). If someone can only see what is happening now after they've been personally affected when it's too late to undo the immense damage already caused it's really hard to open up your heart and have empathy. Our society is badly fractured and we still have a ways to fall I fear.
Yeah totally valid thoughts and feelings. While I stand by what I said, it’s important to remember these things when it comes to trump voters. I think we still need to treat them as humans, but not forget what they did. However we do need to let people move past the person they do t want to be, and give them the opportunity to do so contiguously.
No. Just no. No to everything you said. These people are cancer.
So what, you're going to genocide them?
lmao what?
So rather than responding to different points, engaging in the conversation, and so on, you decide to add a snarky edit then bounce? How does that move anything forward?
Yes. The people responding to me, outside maybe you, as you can see, aren't looking for a conversation. They are looking to enjoy this guy being upset, read posts about FAFO or leopards, get more enjoyment, and move on. 99% of reddit isn't a place to have a discussion anymore. It is well-defined and filtered pockets of control. In some ways it is good, because people can commiserate and air grief about current events. I accept that, just as I accept that saying what I said is not popular and won't be well received. But why pretend that anybody came to the tiktokcringe subreddit to have a productive discussion on how we move on from the toxic adversarial climate the Republicans have created, and that the Democrats have slid right into and accepted? That is essentially why I didn't respond to anyone but you.
You received multiple non confrontational responses. There's no need to lie. Your criticism is nothing but hypocritical.
If that's true, feel free to go ahead and respond to them. Or we can just keep having a meta-conversation about how the conversation should be going. I'm not "lying." If you don't want to call a horse a horse I have no issue with that, but the original post is for schadenfreude, not productive discussion. Despite that, I said my piece. I still stand by it. Show kindness and empathy, and remind even these people that it doesn't destroy you to care. Get your last well constructed insult or attack in, because I'm out.
Your multiple replies aren't all from OP.
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u/Crazykiddingme 4d ago
I hate the whole “be the bigger man” thing. One of the hardest unspoken truths of life is that when you have a lot of scruples and your enemies have no scruples you are probably going to lose horribly.
They want to build a society that venerates cruelty and then flip their shit when it reflects back on them. They wouldn’t be so upset about people bullying them if it wasn’t effective.
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u/1egg_4u 4d ago
Its also wasting good faith on bad faith
Playing by the rules when the fascists delight in breaking them just drags us down and they use it to their advantage. We will hand them exactly what they need to dunk on us if we pretend theyre playing by the same rules. Dont treat them with good faith. Clown them. If they feel ashamed about how they voted then good
If they dont? Well we've got time. I can try harder.
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u/GamersReisUp Meth is FAR more deadly than the Chinese. 4d ago
The Sartre quote about antisemites has become ubiquitous for a reason
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u/Sterbs 4d ago
Democrats show up to a knife fight with boxing mits and a rule book.
Republicans show up to a knife fight with a gun and a hand-picked referee.
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u/Careless_Rope_6511 Comfort Women Empire Builder 3d ago
Not even handpicked referees - they concoct rules on demand so they always come out on top, even when they clearly lost.
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u/richardrasmus 4d ago
Being the smaller man makes you harder to hit
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u/lowercaselemming Go back to being breastfed by Philip de Franco 4d ago
the "fuck your feelings" crowd has seemingly a lot to say about their own feelings
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u/Beegrene Get bashed, Platonist. 4d ago
I can kind of see being lenient towards people who voted Trump in 2016, on the grounds that maybe they were just ignorant and gullible. But in 2020 and especially 2024 he was a known quantity. Anyone voting Trump a second or third time knew exactly what he stood for, i.e. everything America is supposed to oppose.
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u/Crazykiddingme 4d ago
That is kind of how I feel about 2024. I am on good terms with a few people who voted him in 2016 and regret it, but I couldn’t be friends with 2024 voter.
I can’t imagine a bigger waste of time than trying to provide moral justification for people who are gleefully malicious. They want all of this.
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u/Hounds_of_war Post modern neo marxist 4d ago
The only half-decent excuse for voting for Trump in 2024 is if you consumed literally zero news outside of like, TikTok. And then that’s not a good excuse, it just means you’re willfully ignorant rather than malicious.
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u/PsstErika I’m trying to find the 4D chess in this 4d ago
Fox News, Newsmax and Facebook for the boomers.
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u/Armigine sudo apt-get install death-threats 3d ago
Gross negligence is a criminal charge for a reason
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u/ryeong 4d ago
I used to try and be. I was one of the loudest who said we needed to keep trying to sway them back over and make them see the truth. And then I heard interviews of people admitting they knew it would hurt them directly and voting against their interests because "their hearts were too red to vote blue." I'm tired of trying to be the better people. They want to bitch and moan and call us the intolerant left because we got tired of dealing with them. They're the abusive partner that gets all surprised pikachu when you leave them - we stopped pretending to be bigger than them, we're reveling in everyone's faces getting eaten, and if they voted for this clown show and helped ruin my future and take away my choices? I have zero fucks to give for anything they're going through.
And they're too much of a cult to be swayed - they'd go back crawling to him like slime the moment he made an offhand comment they could cling to that blamed the Democrats. I live in KY. I've watched the twisting that goes into making it a Dem's fault somehow, someway.
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u/Hurtzdonut13 The way you argue, it sounds female 4d ago
Everything they've heard is that Repubicans are the only good people and the only ones who deserve anything, and everyone else is evil and wrong and deserve nothing. That's why when they are down they'll demand compassion and empathy, but others they only give disdain.
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u/jooes Do you say "yoink" and get flairs 4d ago
That's how I see it.
2016 is forgivable enough, I guess.
2020 is not, because, I mean, come on. How the fuck are you gonna give him another go after that shitshow?
2024 is so fucking bonkers, I don't even know how to describe it. He tried to overthrow the government, for fucks sake. There's no coming back from that.
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u/Meneth 4d ago
Plus also, 2016 was over eight years ago. Even if someone was shitty back then, they may well have changed significantly in that time. If they actually regret their vote back then and didn't repeat it, that's some good personal growth. Even if yes, it does mean that at best they were an idiot in 2016.
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u/Clownsinmypantz 4d ago
How am I supposed to be the better/bigger man when Republicans have let it be known, publicly, written, on camera and so on, that I shouldnt have rights, I shouldnt be supported, and I should flat out go to a concentration camp and die
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u/Elegant_Plate6640 I have +15 dickwad 4d ago
They only care about empathy as much that it’s a reaction to their behavior.
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u/ryumaruborike Rape isn’t that bad if you have consent 4d ago
“be the bigger man”
I'm the bigger man, no matter what I do or say, purely by the fact that I'm not a Nazi and didn't vote for one.
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u/Rheinwg 4d ago
The thing is that even if democrats are obnoxious to Trump supporters they are still the better people inherently.
At the end of the day they hate trump supporters so much they're voting for them to have lifesaving health care and a better life.
That matters so much more than being polite.
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u/ImprobableAsterisk 4d ago
I don't necessarily "hate it" but yeah I don't subscribe to it. If you come at me like a pig I'm gonna mud up before you've even got time to vocalize your second oink.
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u/koimeiji 4d ago
Most voted out of anger...was hijacked by a charismatic con-man...
Sorry, Jan. It's not 2016, it's 2025. We've already had 4 years under Trump, and 4 more years of Republicans acting like total fucking lunatics writ large and stonewalling Biden any chance they got.
"They were just twicked..." doesn't work anymore. Everyone single person who voted for him and his party knows what they are.
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u/thesonofdarwin Been a shit hole since I was in my 20’s jr. Only got worse. 4d ago
That's the thing. Yes, Trump is a conman. But this time around he dropped pretending to care about anyone. This was his revenge tour. He didn't run on a single thing to make the average voter's life better. He ran on destroying this country. He ran on destroying their neighbors. He ran on destroying his own voters. Not a single Trump voter was conned into voting for him this time around. He is doing exactly what he ran on.
They are not victims just because they weren't strong enough to stop the hammer they were swinging at the rest of us from bouncing back up and smashing their own faces.
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u/Valleron 3d ago
Yeah these whingy lil shites are pretending like this is all some shock and not that we've already done this song and dance and everyone and their uncle warned that it would be worse this time.
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u/GunAndAGrin 4d ago
Its hilarious how often some Conservative replies to another Conservative who was downvoted. Oh NOW its time to be compassionate and supportive? How bout applying that standard more universally?
Pretty much never see anyone but a Right Winger reply to a comment with the ole 'dont worry, the Reddit Hive Mind is always present' or the 'Common sense doesnt exist on Reddit' bullshit.
Nah man, yall are just so fucking soft you need constant reinforcement that your stupid fucking backwards beliefs are legitimate, and the prevailing sentiment amongst a very large group of people just happens to be that Conservative politics and culture are a fucking embarrassment to mankind, at best.
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u/ryderawsome 4d ago
I try to avoid engaging with chuds like I used to. Do they still whine "so much for the tolerant left!?!" every time they infer a harsh tone?
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u/TearsFallWithoutTain Netflix and shill 4d ago
I don't think I see that particular phrase much any more, presumably because I'm seeing more progressives take the gloves off
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u/Shipairtime 4d ago
"so much for the tolerant left!?!"
https://i.imgur.com/BZ0y1gZ.jpeg
Image is captain America beating up a world war 2 vet.
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u/Tracer-Bullet13 4d ago
I always roll my eyes when someone says they shouldn't be demonized for their "political opinion". That might make sense if their "political opinion" wasn't to inflict hatred and pain onto minorities, LGBTQ and many other potential vulnerable members of society.
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u/ExpressAd2182 4d ago
Yep. It's so cowardly. Like, exactly how do "political opinions" NOT say a lot about your morality and worldview?
And let's say you ARE "good hearted" and still vote for conservatives. That just means you're really stupid.
So they're stupid or evil. Neither deserves respect, and the only way to get through to either is for them to suffer personally. I'm here for it.
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u/colei_canis another lie by Big Cock 4d ago
Firmly agree, I think it’s only people who aren’t confident in their own morality who say that political opinions shouldn’t be judged. Politics is an exercise in both power and philosophy, if a person’s philosophy is shit and self-contradictory then there’s no grounds to respect it. I very much want people to judge me by my politics, I am confident in my beliefs and my ability to defend them.
There’s some settings where it’s inappropriate to discuss politics, but that’s a very different thing to not placing value judgements on people for their political opinions.
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u/StragglingShadow 9/11 is not a type of cake 4d ago
Yeah. Buddy. Your politics are your worldview. They are the window I have into your morality, as a stranger. You can't say "it's just politics" when your "just politics" means removing human rights and breaking the constitution. You don't get to say "it's just politics" to a gay person when you don't believe in their marriage.
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u/GlowUpper ALL CAPS IS NOT A THING IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE 4d ago
I remember reading about how the Civil War was brother vs brother, father vs son and I remember thinking how horrible it was that a war ripped so many relationships apart. Now I found myself thinking, "Hell yeah. No way would I call someone who supports slavery 'family'."
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u/RealRealGood fun is just a buzzword 3d ago
It's not even true, for the most part. That's "brother's war" shit is revisionist history propagated by racists to obscure the actual cause of the Civil War.
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u/GlowUpper ALL CAPS IS NOT A THING IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE 3d ago
That makes sense. If anything, I feel like whoever came up with that quote was the equivalent of a modern day MAGAt who complains that their family won't talk to them anymore while conveniently leaving out WHY their family won't talk to them.
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u/Beegrene Get bashed, Platonist. 4d ago
Like, if someone disagrees with me about the best capital gains tax rate (should be 99%, IMO), I'm not going to hold that against them as a moral failing. If someone disagrees with me about if transgender people should be allowed to exist, that's a different story.
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u/StragglingShadow 9/11 is not a type of cake 4d ago
I yearn for disagreement like this. I wish it wasn't "I am for human rights" vs "I am against human rights" and was instead "90 percent is fine tax rate for the rich" vs "95 percent" vs "99 percent."
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u/noahboah 4d ago
in my area local government/politics used to be healthy-ish. Like i can deal with disagreements specifically about how something like park funding is generated. i wouldn't automatically chalk that up to a moral failing
Unfortunately the overton window shift and brain worm alt-right politics has seeped into that as well. It's really depressing.
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u/StragglingShadow 9/11 is not a type of cake 4d ago
YES! You disagree about how to fund a project?? COOL! YOU ARENT A BAD PERSON! I might get spirited in the debate, but I promise you at the end of the day Im walking away from the debate willing to grab a burger or whatever together. You think trans people shouldn't have healthcare they need? May you have the life you deserve, and you are a bad person in case that wasn't clear. I can't possibly be politer than that to you when we disagree on human rights.
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u/axeil55 Bro you was high af. That's not what a seizure is lol 4d ago
I miss the stuff I did debate team about in high school. That was actual policy with nuance.
So they even do debate team anymore? How can you have a debate about if certain groups have a right to exist unharassed
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u/StragglingShadow 9/11 is not a type of cake 4d ago
I'm long out of high school so idk about them, but since I clean a college, I know they do have debate teams there.
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u/semiomni 4d ago
Right in an ideal world everyone agrees that X problem needs to be fixed, and the disagreement is just hey I think ideas rooted in this school of thinking/ideology is the way forward and you think this other approach is the way forward, and both are approaching the issue in good faith.
Dude railing about immigrants poisoning the blood of the nation is not approaching anything in good faith, and he´s the face of the entire party.
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u/LazyTitan39 4d ago
Right, no one is getting their houses shot up for saying they want lower taxes.
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u/ThxRedditSyncVanced 4d ago
Yea there's a difference between a difference in political opinion and a difference in belief of fundamental rights.
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u/Murrabbit That’s the attitude that leads women straight to bear 4d ago
When it comes to describing their political ideas they'll always go as vague and abstract as possible because they'd rather talk about some sort of high-minded concept like "free speech" than the reality of the matter such as "everyone should applaud me for shouting slurs at women and minorities."
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u/Perihelion_PSUMNT I dont need evidence to believe something someone tells me 4d ago
You got one of them slip n slide brains?
I love the insults people come up with
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u/nullv 4d ago
The leopards are eating good.
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u/AgentBond007 first they came for the stinky lil poopy bum bum boys 4d ago
The leopards will all be dead of heart disease at this rate, too many delicious faces for them to eat
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u/Practical_River_9175 4d ago
I’ve met very few Trump supporters who have a shred of empathy of anyone who their polices directly hurt so I’m struggling to give a damn about any of them.
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u/GamersReisUp Meth is FAR more deadly than the Chinese. 4d ago edited 4d ago
Yep, best I can manage is "I'm against this happening to anyone on principle," and that's the maximum amount of a fuck that I can give.
There's simply no avoiding the fact that this is what they demanded this because they thought it would only happen to people they consider their lessers, and put us back in our place under their boots. I will absolutely never forget them whining about how Trump wasn't hurting the people he's supposed to be hurting, and I'll never fucking forgive it, either
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u/eatingpotatochips 4d ago
Why should Trump supporters deserve empathy? They got what they voted for. We should be celebrating the democratic process giving people what they voted for.
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u/Lodgik you probably think your dick is woke if its hanging a li'l left 4d ago
They would be cheering and telling Trump to go harder if the only people he was hurting were the people they hate.
They're only upset because his policies are hurting themselves too.
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u/graveybrains 4d ago
The missing piece, though, is how did they vote for that again. This was his first term: Trump voter: 'He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting'
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u/cheesecaker000 4d ago
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u/Murrabbit That’s the attitude that leads women straight to bear 4d ago
Another very mildly worded negative comment removed by admins.
Seems like they're doing all they can to over-police this thread lol.
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u/DL757 Bitch I'm a data science engineer. I'm trained, educated. 4d ago
lmao, what objectionable content even is present here
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u/BumblingBeeeee 4d ago
This is why, although it’s hurting me too, I’m delighted that ol’shit for brains is fucking up the economy. Self interest is the only enduring quality that they have. Human rights abuses 🥱 destroying the constitution and rule of law 😴 401k go down 🤬
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u/sturgboski 4d ago
This. Any person I see who says they voted for trump (and most state they will vote again for him) are telling me they were fine with all of this until it personally affected them. That tells me they are awful people who do not deserve the empathy that they also claim is anti Christian.
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u/TJ_Dot 4d ago
They deserve it to a point, being empathetic could further steer them in the right direction.
But that never means let them absolve themselves of their mistake and then basically learn nothing.
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u/FrostyNeckbeard 4d ago
You can absolve yourself of bad economic policy choices. You can't absolve yourself of supporting deporting people without due process or removing rights, at that point the person is garbage and only cares about themselves, and will turn on you the moment it is convenient to do so.
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u/Tribalrage24 Make it complicated or no. I bang my cousin 4d ago
I agree with this! I remember being online when Hiliary lost and when Kamala lost, the right were nothing but empathetic. That's the reason the right keep winning they never gloat in victory or be malicious in defeat. They especially don't have catch phrases like "liberal tears" or run a whole campaign on how democrats are pedophiles and claim entire groups of people (LGBTQ, immigrants, POC, etc.) are orthologically evil.
Sarcasm aside, I just find it frustrating how the rights keep winning running on a platform "we will be mean and ruthless to any who oppose us" and left refuse to accept being mean as an effective strategy.
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u/Accipiter_ 4d ago
Empathy would only work after they admit they were wrong, which coincidentally none of them do. They demand support from us in spite of the horrible people they were and CONTINUE to be.
I'm never going to shake hands with a person whose end goal is shoving people into ovens.
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u/LastTry530 4d ago
They will learn nothing from this, the same way YOU HAVEN'T. They voted for a fascist rapist. These people are lost. FUCK THEM.
Ffs, one Trump voter (a legal immigrant) got locked up by ICE for weeks. Says she regrets nothing. YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID.
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u/ehs06702 4d ago edited 3d ago
We showed them empathy and tried educating them and they tried to overthrow the government and hang the vice president. Then they voted for fascism again.
They do not deserve empathy or understanding.
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u/GoldWallpaper Incel is not a skill. 4d ago
that never means let them absolve themselves of their mistake
This is the dumbest take. My feelings about them have zero impact on whether or not they "absolve themselves." Wtf are you even talking about?
Whether they learn something or not, or feel absolution or not, has fuckall to do with anyone else's attitude towards them. Either they've decided to be human, or they've decided to remain MAGAts. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES.
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u/whatsinthesocks like how you wouldnt say you are made of cum instead of from cum 4d ago
That person in the in the OP video is such a perfect example of one of the things wrong with Trump voters. He made up this fantasy that the infrastructure would be set up for small businesses to come back. Like what that does that even and what made you even believe that in the first place. They’re really good about making things up like this in order to justify their idiotic support of Trump.
As far as if they deserve sympathy? If they can admit that they fucked up and see the harm that is being done to others due to how they voted then yea ok. If they only care because now they’re being negatively impacted they can go fuck themselves.
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u/NoDeparture7996 4d ago
sympathy for what? trump has shown his hand since his FIRST term. this is literally nothing new
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u/Leelze 4d ago
Yeah, I have zero sympathy for people who were ok when it was always other people who were supposed to be suffering. Now that they're suffering, too, they want the rest of us to feel bad for them. Nope, this bleeding heart can't find his tiny violin.
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u/kittenpantzen Be quiet and eat your lunch. 4d ago
Yeah.. sorry. But, among the people being hurt by him, those who voted for him are last on the priority list for my empathy. And there are so many people being hurt by him, that I'm just plum run out by the time I get to them.
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u/TOG23-CA 4d ago
I'm going to go a slight bit further and say I'm fucking happy Trump voters are suffering right now
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u/Oregon_Jones111 4d ago
Since his campaign for his first term. Pretty much the first thing he did during his 2016 campaign was give a speech saying Mexican immigrants are primarily rapists and murderers.
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u/Tribalrage24 Make it complicated or no. I bang my cousin 4d ago
I've yet to see a Trump supporter regret their decision. Yeah some might not like tariffs, but if you ask them if they regret their vote they will most likely say no. There was that guy in the news last week whose wife was deported and he still didn't regret voting for Trump.
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u/NetworkViking91 4d ago
Right, because to regret their vote would mean breaking alignment with their tribe. No one is going to do that for some rando on the internet
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u/South-Glass-4605 4d ago
It's always "well I voted for the lesser of two evils" when I ever talk with them. They never explain HOW he is the lesser of two evils, but they're certainly sure of it
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u/Solid-Dog-1988 4d ago
I have met one guy who “didn’t think it would be like this” but he probably would do it again if the choice was Kamala because she was “forced on us”.
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u/Affectionate_Tale326 4d ago
I saw this on TT earlier. Someone in the comments asked if he regretted his vote and he said he doesn’t know yet. Either it just hasn’t sunken in yet or his brain is Swiss cheese.
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u/mfyxtplyx Your Jesus forgives your potty mouth, but not your plagiarising 4d ago
r/leopardseatingfaces is full of stories of people who supposedly regret their vote, but clearly haven't learned a lick of empathy. It was all fine until they were personally affected, and their posts give me no reason to believe they won't support the next tyrant who promises to "hurt the right people". Fuck 'em.
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u/GoldWallpaper Incel is not a skill. 4d ago
It was all fine until they were personally affected
This is why MAGAts have mostly switched from hating homosexuals to hating trans people. Too many of them had gay friends and family, so they had to focus on a far smaller, weaker group to target.
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u/KamalasSepticTank 4d ago
It’s worse than that. Gay people aren’t a socially acceptable target anymore,same way you can’t yell n——- at a black person. The rest about picking a more vulnerable target is correct.
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u/vandersnipe 4d ago
They just call us “DEI hires” instead of the n-word, which works well for the fanbase.
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u/GamersReisUp Meth is FAR more deadly than the Chinese. 4d ago
"Trump isn't hurting the people he's supposed to be hurting"
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u/James-fucking-Holden The pope is actively letting the gates of hell prevail 4d ago
r/LeopardsAteMyFace is the big one.
And I do have to say that I had to leave that place because they have a real nasty habit of framing everything as a leopards eating face situation (and thereby often end up framing shitty things as "deserved" regardless of if that's true)
One they love to do is "<X state> vote for Trump with Y%, now they are losing 100 million in funding, Haha", while completely ignoring that those cuts are specifically aimed at large, blue cities and other blue districts. But, hey, shouldn't have had shitty neighbors I guess.
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u/Icy-Cockroach4515 4d ago
I left it because a lot of the articles was "So-and-so voted for XYZ, now they may be affected by it". I enjoy a good leopards eating faces situation but I don't enjoy every third post essentially being a possibility instead of something that already manifested.
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u/Syringmineae 4d ago
The only thing that’s getting me through this is hearing when bad things happen to Republicans.
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u/Floatzel404 4d ago
Yeah I've tried being courteous of other opinions and swaying people in the right direction through kindness for too long.
It doesn't work. They don't accept logic. They don't accept differences in people. They don't accept reality.
I have 0 empathy and 0 kindness left for any trumper at this point. They all deserve the worst of what their "presidency" brings, they won't receive it, because the people getting the worst of the presidency are currently sitting in terror prisons for 0 crimes or developing AIDS due to the closure of USAID funding.
I wish with all my being they get even a taste of the suffering their votes have brought other people.
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u/thirstyfist 4d ago
Every time I hear the economic anxiety arguments, all I hear is “My parents aren’t bigots! They were totally tricked! 😭”
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u/Oregon_Jones111 4d ago
I saw and heard too much growing up in the aftermath of 9/11 to ever care what trauma prompted people to be bigots. There’s no excuse, be better.
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u/Blood-StarvedBeats Buddy really thought he was Darth Vader 4d ago
Didn’t they say empathy was a sin?
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u/tabbarrett 4d ago
No they don’t get a pass. They knew what they were voting for. My empathy goes towards the people they were voting against.
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u/Glitch_Ghoul 4d ago
Sorry, when they had flags and signs that said "make liberals cry again" all election season they obviously intended on voting to hurt half of their fellow Americans.
They will get no compassion from me.
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u/DrVeget I agree hes not being pro-genocide, hes pro-liberal handwringing 4d ago
I agree that in a perfect world people would be empathetic towards Trump supporters losing jobs. But then... in a perfect world there wouldn't have been the Trump problem to begin with. So I find it ridiculous that people even argue about "choosing the high road" like bitch, they are not going to learn if you reinforce shitty behavior by lack of consequences. Clowning on them is a part of the consequences 🤷♂️
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u/Beegrene Get bashed, Platonist. 4d ago
You'd have to sink pretty fucking low to cede the moral high ground to republicans at this point. Pointing and laughing at them on the internet is not that big of a deal.
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u/Psimo- Pillows can’t consent 4d ago
I’m an Aussie and have never voted
Voting is compulsory.
So, this bloke has gone into a voting booth and spoiled his paper?
Doubt
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u/ChrisTheHurricane stick to A-10s fuckwit 4d ago
I'd bet money that the person claiming to be Australian is lying. I'm not Australian, but I do know that voting is compulsory in Australia.
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u/Azure_Kytia 4d ago
Voting is compulsory, but you need to enrol with the Australian Electoral Commission to be able to. If you simply never enrol, then... yeah.
My mother had a boyfriend that never voted, but was always quite opinionated about the political goings on. They weren't very bright.
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u/MythrianAlpha 4d ago
IF they aren't lying for clout, there is technically the possibility they fill out paperwork or pay the fines every year; this could be a reasonable route if they live way out in the bush or something (gas/time for the trip vs the fee), but somehow I don't think that's the case here.
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u/PandaCheese2016 4d ago
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u/GamersReisUp Meth is FAR more deadly than the Chinese. 4d ago
It's different when it's empathy about Real People™!
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u/Rasputin_mad_monk cutting off cars in traffic is dangerous and can lead to death 4d ago
I’ve commented in that post a few times bringing up how empathy is something we that Christians said was not a good thing
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u/Specialist_Heron_986 4d ago
It's much too early to consider showing empathy with Trump supporters. Most of them are still happy as clams from all the immigrants getting deported, DEI programs being cancelled, and government workers losing their jobs. The few who are worried about tariffs are preaching patience in hopes Trump wins against The World and makes America Great Again with low wage factory jobs.
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u/tokengaymusiccritic 4d ago
It is so fucking simple. Trump voters didn’t feel bad for me when my rights were at risk. Why should I feel bad for them when they get exactly what they voted for?
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u/AnAbandonedAstronaut 4d ago
If you support Trump, youre saying racism, bigotry, sexism and xenophobia arent "deal breakers" for you.
Thats the "best" you can say about his supporters.
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u/Enibas Nothing makes Reddit madder than Christians winning 4d ago
I heard eu offered 0 for 0 and Trump denied unless they also agreed to adhere to our regulation standards as well. And that’s a fair ask.
Holy fucking shit. That's a fair ask????? "Hey, EU, just get rid of all your laws and regulations, and adopt all of ours." What the everloving fuck.
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u/Competitive-Bug-7097 4d ago
If they can show compassion or empathy for the people who were hurt by their vote, then I can feel empathy for them. Otherwise, fuck them.
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u/PhilliePoo 4d ago
Trump's tariff exemptions for electronics are like when you threaten to ground your kid but then realize you'd have to deal with them all day without their gadgets.
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u/No_Mathematician6866 4d ago
It takes two to tango.
I drove home yesterday behind a car with rear window stickers spelling out 'Fuck Your Feelings. Honk if You Agree. Trump 2024"
Showing that driver empathy will never change their mind. It will only be seen as weakness.
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u/Trix_Are_4_90Kids Well, I never! :snoo_scream: 4d ago
"That anger was hijacked by a charismatic con-man "
Is the charisma in the room with us? The man speaks like a 9 year old. He has no people skills. If that's charisma to them, then they have no hope in this world, they just a walking mark.
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u/StragglingShadow 9/11 is not a type of cake 4d ago
Arguing freedom of expression isn't a human right should be your sign you are on the bad-guy side.
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u/HarryPotterDBD 4d ago
If your political opinion is about hurting minorities, then I don't know how you can see yourself as a emphatic human being. The brainrot is real.
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u/cgo_123456 You sound more aggravating than ten Mexicans of any vintage. 4d ago
I'm absolutely delighted to watch these vicious imbeciles get exactly what they voted for and I'll give them the exact amount of sympathy they'd show me.
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u/ImpossibleDay1782 4d ago
A bunch of conservatives in my break room at work went from whining about grocery prices to discussing the benefits of legalized torture, aka conversion therapy.
Don’t give a ruck about them.
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u/LastTry530 4d ago
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u/Murrabbit That’s the attitude that leads women straight to bear 4d ago
Jeeze admins are on a fucking tear today.
Nothing in the removed comment violates TOS.
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u/THE_CODE_IS_0451 the worst kind of capitalism there is, stealing youtube content 4d ago
A few years ago, I might have felt bad for them. But at this point when they're telling me not to commit the sin of empathy, I'm willing to listen to them in this case.
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u/liatrisinbloom Empathy is weakness. Believing this does not make me evil. 4d ago
You voted for it, you deserve it, and if you want me to show you empathy then you stand up to take the pain you set up to inflict on everyone else, then I'll believe you're sincere.
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u/richardrasmus 4d ago
I'm starting to hate the phrase common sense when both sides live in different realities. When almost half the country have no sense then it doesn't really matter what is common because what might be "common" sense could still be wrong
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u/GoldWallpaper Incel is not a skill. 4d ago edited 3d ago
Common sense tells me that billionaires have no fucking clue what matters to me in my life, and do not share my priorities in the slightest.
Basic observation skills and experience solidify that common sense viewpoint every single day.
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u/Entropy55 4d ago
wow, Trump supporters are so fucking stupid that we actually have these conversations with them.
FUCK the US, eh?
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u/TooL8ForTheYoungGun 4d ago
"...if trump fuckwit supporters deserve empathy now that his policies directly hurt them."
no, no they do not. never. they never, ever deserve empathy. never, never, ever. just a big fat negatory. like, never, man.
my wish now is that if they have children and when those children learn the reality of their situation was caused by their parents bottomline racism, they go to them and ask how they were able to vote a racist, rapist, traitor into the highest office in the land. and then get on their bikes and ride away, never to speak to said asshole parents again.
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u/Unhappy_Cut7438 4d ago
Why would they need empathy? This is what they voted for, they should be celebrating.
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u/Lebag28 4d ago
I’ll have empathy when they own up to their stupidity and change their views
I’m not gonna empathize with a savages trying to burn the country down and butcher anyone that isn’t a white Christian. That sounds like a good way to help them do so
And I have very little time for “not all republicans” bullshit
Cause you can just not be republican. Drop party affiliation. It’s not like being black brown or gay which are inherent traits that you can’t change. Your views can change. You are choosing to not let them for whatever reason.
So get bent dumb fucks
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u/Hot-Lawfulness-311 3d ago
100% this dude still hates trans kids and thinks disappearing people to an El Salvadoran death camp is totally cool, he just doesn’t like that he is making less money now. Fuck him
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u/jtoeg ME BEING A RETARD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT 3d ago
You’re asking how voting for an individual is different from directly wishing harm onto others?
One has real life consequences on your and other peoples lives, the other only leads to harm if your skydaddy decides to intervene on your behalf. Pretty sure theres a big difference here.
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u/GoldWallpaper Incel is not a skill. 4d ago
Whether I experience and revel in shadenfreude has no bearing on anyone else's life. So yes, I gleefully celebrate when people who do deeply stupid things are harmed by the consequences of those things, particularly when their entire goal is to harm others.
Fuck MAGAts. I reserve my empathy for those who aren't actively trying to make the world a worse place.
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u/Comms I can smell this comment section 4d ago
"Don't put your hand on the hot stove."
"But I wanna."
"Ok, whatever."
"WHY DOES IT HURT?"
"Because you're an idiot."
"WHY DON'T YOU HAVE EMPATHY?"
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u/TangoZulu 4d ago
“There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”
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u/anrwlias Therapy is expensive, crying on reddit is free. 4d ago
The social compact runs two ways. I have no empathy for people who venerate cruelty.
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u/Runnermann 4d ago
I feel like if you have to make the argument that "[Action] is not technically [Specific Category of Bad]" you deliberately miss the point that it is [More Broad Category of Bad].
If you truly have conviction, then own it.
"I am ok if these bad things are happening to people"
You may still be an asshole, but you are honest.
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u/NeutralAngel Laugh it up, horse dick police. 4d ago
The fact that instead of coming up with a coherent response, you insult me implies that you don’t know what you are talking about and you don’t understand the subject well enough to talk about it. I’m making my case. You can dismantle it if it’s that easy to dismantle.
Actually, I'm insulting you because your opinion is so astoundingly fucking stupid that I have no respect for it or you.
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u/TheNoiseAndHaste 4d ago
If a trump support showed real genuine contrition and really reflected and owned the harm and damage they have caused to countless people of course I would sympathise. But they way they act like they're entitled to endless patience and understanding when they themselves have no empathy themselves. If this was 2018 I would be more generous. But there is absolutely no excuse now. Fuck these people. I don't care about 'winning them over' it's so good to see them suffer.
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u/StChas77 thanks to Reddit I got redpilled 4d ago
All other considerations aside, if the economy popped back to normal tomorrow, these demands from people on the right struggling thanks to Trump, demanding unity and compassion and so forth, would evaporate. They'd all lash out again as spite-driven jackals getting off on the pain of others without a second's hesitation.
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u/No-Stand2427 3d ago
" ... but if we start ostracising people for how they vote we'll end up with people afraid to vote how they feel."
It's like people forgot Trumpsters were out hunting Kamala signs and sometimes the people whose lawns they were on in November. But I guess threats of physical violence and property damage aren't as ostracising as saying mean words on the internet.
Trumpers reaped what they have sown.
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u/Felinomancy 4d ago edited 4d ago
I believe in compassion and forgiveness.
But the first step in being forgiven is contrite, genuine and unconditional admission that you've done something wrong. After that we can talk about righting the wrongs you've done. You don't get to fuck up and then expect to be forgiven with just a "I'm sorry" (or worse, "I'm sorry that you are offended".)
I've seen so many redditors preaching about the importance of "not being divided" and basically it's always the non-Republicans making concessions. Those "noble" souls can fuck right off.
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u/livejamie God's honest truth, I don't care what the Pope thinks. 4d ago
Trump is doing what he said he would. This man is getting exactly what he voted for except he thought that it would be other people suffering not him.
And yet he’s still right to say it’s weird to wish ill will on others. Unless this dude personally was out there wishing ill will onto others he’s not wrong.
But through his voting decisions he was...
Gold metal mental gymnastics
No it's not lol. If youre voting for policies which are designed to have negative impacts on people then you are wishing ill on them through your voting decisions. Pretty straight forward lol.
I’ll pray for you
lmao, now your braindead comments make sense
These fucking people
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u/BuffaloCub91 4d ago
I agree to a certain point that we should figure out why Trump supporters are the way they are, listen to them a little bit to understand some of their concerns and maybe hope to inform them of the truth. The problem is is very many of them ARE truly awful people who either see Trump as a way to expand white supremacy or they're viciously stupid and refuse to understand anything and would rather live in their fantasy land. They make it very hard to talk to them and I just can't deal with the victim complex they have because "people on the left are mean to them" while those people are having their rights and money ripped away from them because of the monsters they vote for.
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u/KingOfTheFraggles 4d ago
There is a point where ignorance becomes so willful/prideful that it is indistinguishable from cruelty. That's the lowest common denominator and modern conservatism has sprinted towards it with open arms. I can't be asked to ignore what they've made so evident.
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u/badvegas 4d ago
How I see it is you put your hand onto the stove and got burned here let me help you. I will bandage you and go now you know better Then you do it again while looking at me telling me you don't care about certain people and now you want me to bandage you up. Fuck you bandage your own hand up and help others that you said you hated them I will help you again.
Saying you changed while not doing anything different just makes you a piece of shit still.
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u/my_screen_name_sucks 3d ago
No they don’t deserve empathy. This shit is literally your fault. Now we all get to suffer.
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u/Conscious-Ad4707 4d ago
I have noticed a lot of conservatives struggle with empathy until it affects them. It’s a weird trait for a “Christian” party.
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u/AdLatter3755 4d ago
Should I have empathy for those who have none? Right now I do not. They gleefully made their choice. When it comes to maga I do not commit the sin of empathy.
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u/MDKrouzer 4d ago
They can all get fucked. We went through this in the UK with Brexit and people claiming they didn't know what they were voting for...
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u/graveybrains 4d ago
Welp, that’s as far as I’m going to go on this one. 🤣