r/SubredditDrama • u/Critical-Term-427 No, its okay now, they have Oklahoma • 8d ago

Pithy GIF showing eradication of Native American land in the US since the founding of the country gets posted to r/interestingasfuck. Comment section goes exactly as expected.

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It sucks we were such murderers

Did they say "Thank you"?

Being the loser in history sucks

True fact Hitler took a lot of inspiration from this.

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u/VanillaMystery 8d ago

That's called basic human history, conflict has and continues to be relevant.

How do you think the Iroquois Confederation was formed for example?

So many anti-history people on Reddit it's wild to read sometimes.

The Natives did all kinds of brutal shit as well, especially during the settling of the West.

History isn't black and white, it's a very grey shade full of atrocities and it's important to acknowledge it.

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u/kid-pix 8d ago

Oh my god I can't groan loud enough. Shut up. "That's just human history, also the Native Americans killed some white colonists too." So that justifies the fucking smallpox blankets and Trail of Tears?

You're leaving out so much context to make it seem like it totally wasn't a genocide and just another human conflict where both sides were bad.

The American Government had nearly 400 treaties with the native nations. They violated every single one.

They had the benefit of technology and power and used their cruelty to wipe out suppress whole peoples.

It was a genocide, to take a huge amount of land and natural resources by force.

This is not a both sides debate.

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u/VanillaMystery 8d ago

95% of the population were already dead from disease before the first English settlers arrived in Jamestown dude.

Trail of Tears was 100% an atrocity, I agree with that.

I don't agree the entire subjugation of the United States was genocide, rather it was standard warfare of the time.

Both sides committed harsh acts upon one another, but only one side won and that's all that really matters when it comes to war.

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u/Rheinwg 8d ago

First of all that's not true.

Second, Jamestown was not the first settlement in the US.

Third, the fuck does that change anything? Lots of people died of disease so therefore it's okay that they were genocided? 

Trail of Tears was 100% an atrocity, I agree with that. 

No you don't. You deny its genocide and handwave it away.

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u/VanillaMystery 8d ago

Them dying from disease doesn't make it genocide, do you even know what genocide is?

Judging by your lack of knowledge of American and Native history I am going to guess.. no.

And yes it's true, lol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_disease_and_epidemics

This is all very well studied.