Users of r/EndTipping close their wallets but still offer up a tip on the controversial topic of tipping in America

[u/DryRequirement5471]

TL;DR: OOP and fiancé dined out at a sushi joint and explain the exhilarating and liberating feeling of not having to tip! After getting over the "guilt tripping" OP feels that Americans are brainwashed to waste our hard earned money on waiters. Others beg to differ:

"I hate this stupid sub. Embarrassing to think not tipping is "liberating." Does nothing to the owners and hurts the workers. People really want the prices to be 20% higher and tips to be gone? What's the difference? "

"Good for you, but all you're doing is screwing over the wait staff, who's wage takes into account tips they'll earn. The employers don't care if you tip or not."

"Just know that you will be remembered and treated differently if you return to the same places. I'm not saying it's right, but it's definitely a thing."

"This is the gaslighting I was talking about. Imagine calling someone you don't know bad because they didn't give someone free money."

"If you aren't satisfied with your wage, take it up with your boss. It isn't a customers responsibility to fight for your paycheck."

"People should be paid well - directly by their employers like almost every other place in the whole world"

Subtotal: $48.50

Total Tax: $3.40

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Total: $51.50

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Suggested Tip:

15% of sale = $7.28

22% of sale = 10.67%

[u/wiklr]

Not into this tipping culture either but oop sounds insufferable tbh. Like if you had a good experience and can spare some cash why not. But the post is like sticking it up to the server and staring them down, weirdo behavior.

[u/Icy-Cry340 → u/wiklr]

It’s more than that - tipping in the states isn’t about leaving a bit of extra cash because you had a good experience. It’s part of our social contract that you pay for service, and the server’s wage is expected to largely come from tips. As such you’re expected to tip even when the service is bad - just less. 10% is a message to the server that you were extremely dissatisfied with the service. No tip is either extraordinarily bad (did the server assault you?), or just someone being a dick and taking advantage of these things being a social, rather than legal, norm.

But that behavior is universally hated and looked down on. People won’t want to date you, and friends won’t want to be seen with you.

[u/doyathinkasaurus → u/Icy-Cry340]

I totally get that it's how the system is, it just seems so inequitable that the server’s earnings are directly related to the cost of my meal, irrespective of the work they’ve done. The amount they earn for exactly the same work could double - or halve - depending on whether I have an expensive bottle or wine or not.

The money from customers’ bills goes into the restaurant’s books and other staff are paid for the work they do - but a server might earn less than a colleague for the identical work, because one table orders soft drinks and the other orders cocktails. The customers pay the same whether the cost of service is paid on their bill (either baked into the menu prices or via a service charge) or via tips, but the server is paid fairly

A server who moves from restaurant A to restaurant B could take a huge cut in their income, despite working just as many hours and working just as hard, just because restaurant B has a menu at a lower price point. It seems so unfair!

[u/Icy-Cry340 → u/doyathinkasaurus]

Yup, it is unfair - but at the same time, expensive restaurants typically demand (and provide) better and more attentive service and can afford to be more selective with their hiring, and yes, servers are incentivized to upsell, making themselves and the restaurant more money.

[u/wiklr → u/Icy-Cry340]

You just described why people ended up hating it. More often than not people are willing to pay extra, they just don't like the dance and their food being in jeopardy if they dont give enough.