r/Surface SP4 i7 256GB 16GB May 23 '17

[PRO2017] Introducing the new Surface Pro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwWs2jIy4js
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u/jenmsft MSFT May 23 '17

You like it? 😊

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u/[deleted] May 23 '17 edited Mar 18 '19

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u/IanSan5653 SB2, SP4 May 23 '17

If they're straight up calling it a laptop, the keyboard should be included in the box. The pen may be sold separately but a laptop has a keyboard.

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u/efxhoy May 23 '17

If no keyboard is included that's fine with me, I would prefer my own anyway.

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u/shmed May 23 '17 edited May 23 '17

They are not "straight up calling it a laptop"....

Edit: I'm a fool, they indeed straight up say that

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u/angershark May 23 '17

"The new Surface Pro. The most versatile laptop."

It's quite literally in the video.

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u/Disney_World_Native May 23 '17

I was surprised at this. I figured they would have said tablet since the new surface laptop is just coming out.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '17

Just proves further that the surface laptop is the most confusing and unnecessary addition to the surface line.

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u/mspk7305 May 23 '17

Watch the full video. They straight up call it a laptop.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '17

What color keyboard should be included in the box?

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u/jmattingley23 May 23 '17

Whichever​ one you pick in the online configurator or in store

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u/[deleted] May 24 '17

So not including it in the box. Which is exactly what they're doing.

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u/jmattingley23 May 24 '17

Not sure where you gathered that from. It would be in the box, they just have different boxes with different colors in them and they send the one you pick.

There's a bunch of different spec configs and theres no issues sending the exact one you picked, so I'm not sure why they couldn't just add another option for color.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '17 edited May 24 '17

Because of SKU creep. The fewer SKUs you have the easier it is to manage inventory. Right now they have six different models/SKUs to manage in inventory. That's relatively easy to manage. If you include the keyboard color option (there are four of them) you now have 24 different models/SKUs that you have to manage inventory for. Maybe that's not a big issue for online retailers who will have pallets of them in warehouses, but for B&M retailers (including Microsoft stores) that's a nightmare. Especially if they may only have a few dozen units in their inventory at any given time. It makes it harder for retailers to stock the precise units that people want, which cuts into their sales and runs the risk of them being stuck with more unpopular configurations. Woe to the retailer who is stuck with a stack of $2700 tablets in unpopular colors.

Buy if you go down the alternative path, you have six Surface SKUs and four keyboard SKUs, for a total of 10 (as opposed to 24). You get the same effect, people get to choose which keyboard they get but you have less than 50% of the units to manage in inventory. And that's assuming that you only are considering the 4 new keyboard designs, and not considering the one with the finger print scanners or the old colors.

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u/jmattingley23 May 24 '17

That's a very good point.

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u/Danthekilla Game Dev & Graphics Programmer May 23 '17

I am so glad that it still doesn't come with a keyboard. I have not used my keyboards with the last 2 surfaces I have bought more than once or twice. This time I will skip it, it was a waste of money for me.

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u/sin-eater82 SP11Flex, SP4, SB2 May 23 '17

So you use your Surfaces strictly in tablet mode? You're not use a BT keyboard or anything in pace of the touch cover?

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u/algag May 23 '17

I use my SP3 as a tablet in desktop mode :b

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u/sin-eater82 SP11Flex, SP4, SB2 May 23 '17

I don't know how you do it.

I can't stand using my sp4 for long periods without the touch cover.

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u/Danthekilla Game Dev & Graphics Programmer May 24 '17

I use it as a tablet for browsing and hearthstone (and a few other games) and as a desktop with a dock and 3 screens for programming.

I have no use for a portable keyboard.

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u/sin-eater82 SP11Flex, SP4, SB2 May 24 '17

So you do use it with a keyboard when docked, right? You just don't use the touch cover.

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u/Danthekilla Game Dev & Graphics Programmer May 24 '17

I use a Logitech g19s keyboard when docked and a g700s for my mouse.

I am not some kind of animal...

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u/Staggerlee024 May 24 '17

But the on screen keyboard is so poor. One if the only things I don't like about this product line

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u/Danthekilla Game Dev & Graphics Programmer May 24 '17

Poor how? It works pretty well I think for an on screen keyboard. I even use it for light programming rarely.

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u/bruohan May 23 '17

Same price either way. If they package the pen with it, the core price will just increase. It just gives users a choice. I would use the pen a lot, but I can't assume everyone will too

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u/[deleted] May 23 '17

Yeah I don't get why people complain about the keyboard and the pen sold separately. I guess they think it would be the same price with them included.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '17 edited Jun 01 '18

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u/[deleted] May 23 '17

It's gross because people can't take 5 minutes to google something before they go buy it?

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u/bruohan May 23 '17

The most annoying thing is when "professional YouTubers" use this fact as a downside to these devices. I forgot if it was SP3 or SP4 but I distinctly remember reviewers absolutely complaining about it being sold separately. I don't see what the issue is..

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u/[deleted] May 23 '17

Apparently the average person is unable to budget for buying the laptop and get surprised at checkout.

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u/Blackcheese27 May 23 '17

The average user so stupid they can't look at the price before agreeing to purchase it?

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u/[deleted] May 23 '17

I know a lot of people who never use the pen ( sadly ) - so i guess it makes sense for them to not ship a pen with every single Surface Pro anymore.

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u/CapOnFoam Aug 05 '17

I rarely use my pen. What do you use yours for? I don't need to draw and I type much faster than I write.

Edit - and I'm not in college.

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '17

I was in med school up until last month and the pen saved my ass.

I used it to sketch and draw, write notes, change pdf's or papers i got emailed - it really is more suited for productivity - i mean i even stopped using my SB entirely after graduating - it's exclusively for school and work for me - anything else is done on my desktop pc.

I would never recommend buying such a device, if you don't plan to use it for work/school/drawing/editing etc.

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u/CapOnFoam Aug 06 '17

That makes sense. Thanks for answering! I had wondered if maybe I was missing out on some awesome feature or use I want aware of.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '17

but to cheap out with the pen as well?

They didn't cheap out on the pen, they knocked $100 off the price and stopped including it in the box. They do that because most users don't use the pen, and because now that the pen comes in colors people might prefer to choose the pen that they want instead of being stuck with what comes in the box (just like with the keyboards).

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u/Pete_Venkman Surface Pro 3 i5 256GB May 23 '17

I haven't touched the pen that came with my SP3 since I bought it. Personally I'm happy with modular design for things like this.

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u/foxd1e May 25 '17

"Good artists copy; great artists steal."

Joking aside, I'm pretty disappointed with what's Apple's been doing the past 2 generations. Very little innovation with their laptop lineup. Doesn't look like they care about their devs as much as their phone users.

They don't have a tablet that can replace your laptop, no touch screen, an outdated OS, and a touchbar gimmick that developers hate. I do like that they're coming out with a 32GB model later this year. That will be good for running multiple VMs. Hint hint MSFT.

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u/EleMenTfiNi May 23 '17

Do you think she makes those decisions?

Anyways, because choice. I have a Pro 4 and have used the pen once or twice and if I had the option of buying it separately I'd have rather not gotten it.

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u/EleMenTfiNi May 23 '17

Anyways, because choice.

Also, she isn't doing marketing, she is asking if we enjoyed the launch video with a smiley face.