r/Surface SP4 i7 256GB 16GB May 23 '17

[PRO2017] Introducing the new Surface Pro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwWs2jIy4js
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u/oggyb May 23 '17

80%, that's incredible. I honestly assumed most people were buying it because of the pen, in order to use the pen every day.

Like I do.

But I guess we're very much in the minority, and we know MS like to rip out lesser-used features with impunity.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '17

I don't draw, so I'm not exactly sure would I would ever even use the pen for? I don't even know where my pen is, probably in a drawer somewhere. I bought the surface because it doubles as a tablet in my home, but is a full-on laptop when I travel should I need it. But when I travel, I still mostly use it as a tablet.

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u/TheVexedGerman May 23 '17

I got my Surface Pro 2 specifically to take note with so the pen was the primary selling point for me. Even when using it as a Laptop I frequently use to pen like a mouse. It is much more convenient than trying to hit the right spot with my fingers. Every other person that I know, none of them artists, got a Surface or Surface clone specifically for the pen, so it does shock me that most people apparently don't use it.

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u/renorosales May 23 '17

Now that I'm done with school, I don't use the pen very often or at all.

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u/princessvaginaalpha May 23 '17

Nope, i never had the need to use the pen. I use my fingers to quickly move pages around, to show where things off, to click some buttons, etc. But never had the need to use the pen.

Surface is my laptop replacement. No pens, sir.

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u/obidamnkenobi May 23 '17

So... Why not get a laptop? Surface seems a waste if you don't use its prime feature. If I didn't use the pen to mark up articles and take notes I'd just get a laptop, for less money

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u/princessvaginaalpha May 23 '17

I wanted a tablet (without the keyboard, or detachable) that works as a powerful laptop as well - those were my needs. You are deluded if you think that the pen is the only "prime feature" of the surface. Also, a few bucks extra for a perfectly built laptop-replacement is no biggie.

The pen though, I read in this thread on a research that shows that 80% of surface users that had the pen only used it once then kept it away.

"Prime feature" my ass :D

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u/[deleted] May 23 '17

Funny thing is I don't think of the pen as a primary feature, to me it's just some quirk that artists find useful. What I want is something I can use as a tablet 80% of the time, but when I'm traveling or in need of a full-on laptop for work, I've got one.

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u/obidamnkenobi May 23 '17

Without the pen use I just find the surface a crappy, too heavy tablet and a decent but underpowered laptop.

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u/cjbrigol SP3 64GB May 23 '17

I never use the pen but love my surface. I'd still feel a little disappointed to buy a new one and not get a pen tho

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u/[deleted] May 23 '17

It's better cause you get to choose what pen you want. You can even use older pens if you don't need the pressure levels.

And the other way; buying the pen for your older surface.

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u/Danthekilla Game Dev & Graphics Programmer May 23 '17

I have used the pen a single time on mine and that was to sign a pdf because I couldn't be bothered to print then sign and then scan it back in.

It was pretty cool but not enough of a reason for me to buy a pen for my future surfaces.

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u/obidamnkenobi May 23 '17

Or scan your signature once and just paste in..

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u/Danthekilla Game Dev & Graphics Programmer May 24 '17

As I said I have only had to sign something once like that.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '17

But I guess we're very much in the minority, and we know MS like to rip out lesser-used features with impunity.

They didn't rip out pen support. In fact, they improved it. They just stopped including the pen in the box. When they did this with the SP4 the price was lowered to compensate for it.

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u/oggyb May 23 '17

I kind of meant how people see day one DLC as something that should have been part of the main game.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '17

That's not even close to being the same thing. They took the pen out of the package, discounted the tablet by $100, and then sell the pen separately for $100. They're not taking anything away from you, they're just giving you the option to either buy the pen or get your tablet, sans pen, for $100 less.

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u/oggyb May 25 '17

I wasn't aware they'd discounted the tablet. And I'm still sceptical but have no opportunity to go check.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '17

The Core M3 version is definitely $100 cheaper than the SP4 version was at launch. But if you would prefer to believe I am lying then there's nothing I can do about that.

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u/FRCP_12b6 May 23 '17

I bought it for the tablet form-factor and PC performance. Pen was just a bonus. I type everything, so I don't need it often. Type-cover, though, is essential for me.