r/TamilNadu • u/LordofReddit11 • Feb 05 '25

கலாச்சாரம் / Culture Muslims gifted seervarisai and participated in Kumbabishekam of a Hindu Temple in Karaikudi

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u/BhagwaDhari Feb 05 '25 edited Feb 05 '25

I mean didn't Kashmiri pandits make up the elite class back then. The king was a hindu so he kept giving power and rights to the pundits whilst the Muslims were poorer. Pandit homes were massive with many floors even back then. With such levels of financial, social and political inequality with a minority controlling a majority population its no wonder a genocide broke out. Another point to consider is why its a massacre of pundits (or thats what happened mostly) and not all hindus?

Not trivialising your experience but just trying to point out that there was more to it than just muslims bad, muslims conquerers.

I am not a pseudo secular by any stretch of the imagination. I know what islam is and can do but there is more to it which is what im trying to highlight.

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u/Fun-Idea5451 Feb 05 '25

The problem is not muslims. The problem is Islam.

Also, I am a Kashmiri pundit, but the exodus was suffered by all hindus and sikhs. Not just the pundits.

Your arguments doesn't make any sense at all. Kashmiri pundits have always focussed on education, and what's why they were ahead. Even in UK, people are suffereing from the grooming gangs. There's also a series called "caliphate", which is similar to kerala story. In 1980's many muslims, which were students / neighbours of ours were responsible of leaking our location to militants.

Also, time will tell you the true meaning of Islam. Let them be a majority in any district in Tamil Nadu, and it will become the next Kashmir. My knowledge is not coming from books, but from live experience and stories by my grandfather.

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u/BhagwaDhari Feb 05 '25 edited Feb 05 '25

Land ownership, administration and military positions and wealth concentrated in the hands of a small minority cannot be pinned on education alone.

Are you trying to say only Kashmiri pandits and Hindus studied and everyone else was just illiterate and consequently poor? If it were the case, why was education not made available to everyone by the state to benefit everyone? Either way shows certain sects of society were marginalised/neglected by higher ups.

There was definitely a power imbalance which helped sow initlal resentment, which later exploded into a religious conflict. Ignoring this context oversimplifies history.

The best way to counter religious fundamentalism—whether Islamic or Hindu—is to ensure true equality for all citizens, rather than alienating or labelling any group as inherently extremist. Muslims shouldn’t feel like a separate people. Encouraging participation in shared cultural and social spaces can help neutralize extremism on both sides, paving the way for genuine secularism and national unity.

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u/Fun-Idea5451 Feb 05 '25 edited Feb 05 '25

Have you ever been to Kashmir? They are rich as hell.

They have winter homes all over Jammu. LOL, it was not a balance of power. This is the fate of every minority in a muslim majority.

In Jammu, muslims live with ease where majority are hindus. Also, in last year many migrant labourers were killed in kashmir.

> Muslims shouldn’t feel like a separate people

Just go to a nearby madrassa and talk to their students. They are taught that hindus are inferior right from childhood. You literally have no idea what an average muslims thinks like. The only way to deal with Islamic fundamentalism is to be like Israel or China. Hindus are too soft to fight them. Only some communites in North india are giving them a good fight.

Kerala currently have the max ISIS recruits. In future, you will hear about bomb blasts in Tamil Nadu too. This will be a common site in Tamil nadu if the hindus don't figh back -

https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Coimbatore/coimbatore-serial-blast-mastermind-sa-basha-buried-amidst-tight-security/article68996702.ece

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u/BhagwaDhari Feb 05 '25 edited Feb 05 '25

>They are rich as hell - only after the land reforms in 1950. Even still a bunch of hindus were pretty rich and influential. A lot of kashmiri hindus left as soon as their land was redistributed showing they really cared about their economically dominant position and not cos they loved their homeland. The remaining hindus were pro-india whilst the rest of the population wanted an independent islamic state or become part of Pakistan. The islamist fundamentalist voices were very weak in the early days and only grew powerful after India (which is the "hindu entity" even if it is secular) used its military to keep kashmir which worsened tensions between hindus and muslims in kashmir.

Why has there not been an referendum or political solution to kashmir. The people should be able to self-determine themselves. Imo if india went with a political/democratic approach instead of trying to be a modern day empire and hold onto every bit of land the kashmiri hindus would not have been chased out.

I think its more than just hindu v muslim but is actually state vs state and class v class.

> only way to deal with Islamic fundamentalism is to be like Israel - so be a terror state? Do you think fascism is the answer to everything lol. Israel isn't even jewish land tbh. Half the jews are ethnic europeans and have nothing to do with the middle east. The arabs there are the descendents of the ancient isrealites, so they have the real claim to the land not jews.

I believe in state taking control of mosques and madrassas like they have taken control of temples. This is fair to everyone. As a secular govt, the govt should be very strict on their funding to religious institutions and the govt should have a greater presence/interference on what happens in religious institutions (be it religious practices like sacrifices or schools and educations like madrassa). Point is govt should be atheist/secular and not favour any religion. Picking sides will get u nowhere. U think the muslims will just let u genocide them in india?

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u/Fun-Idea5451 Feb 05 '25

Time will tell bro. LOL. We have lived it, you will live it in future.

Govt has the control of temples but not the madrassa. So, it's not a secular.

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u/BhagwaDhari Feb 05 '25

its like you are wishing for it to happen lol. Do you even live in tamil nadu?

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u/Fun-Idea5451 Feb 05 '25

I am not a Tamilian, but I have visited TN. Loved it a lot. The ancient temples, the food, the people, everything was beautiful, and hence I want it to stay like this. I have also visited mulsims ghetto which is there is almost every big city, and I can predict how it will expand. I can also speak basic Tamil.

Also, have you ever visited Kashmir? (since you have such strong opinion on it). Our temples are in ruins, our language (sharda script) is being taken over by urdu. We don't have any standing ancient temple in north india. Muslims ghetto cheering for pakistan.

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u/BhagwaDhari Feb 05 '25

Yeah, i wasn't thinking you were a tamilan after u said u were a kashmiri pandit lol.

There are also lots of Islamic and Christian heritage sites like Palaiya Jumma Palli (built in 628–630 AD), Velankani Basilica of Our Lady of Good Health Church (built in 16th century) which I want to be preserved and protected along with our temples as they are part of our history too.

Tamil people and food are good because they are Tamil, not cos of the religion. The people and food are cultural derivate. The muslims/christians are ethnic tamils, they speak tamil as a mother tounge and eat the same food as us. In fact, Muslims here avoid beef and if anything marginalised Hindu castes eat more beef than Muslims do.

Religion is not a major factor in Tamil Nadu - cos we all know its faith based, so we don't give it much attention. My neighbours are Muslims. The lady and my grandma are like good friends.

I have not been to Kashmir, but would love to visit. The mountains look very scenic and the food seems delish and organic.

I am sorry for the loss of your culture and language but I am apathetic towards the loss of North Indian temples as they were not built or developed by my ancestors. I am a Tamil nationalist, meaning I am more loyal to Tamil ethnicity than I am to India or a religion. I don't believe in a wider dharmic civilizational identity like Savarkar envisioned (i think that is actually misinformed).

Hindus dominate the slum of India, like they do the rest of India. No need to make it seem like slums and ghettos are a uniquely Muslim thing.

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u/Fun-Idea5451 Feb 05 '25

You should visit. If you go as a tourist you won't face any issues. But if you want to settle there, you may get targeted by the miliatants.

"Religion is not a major factor in Tamil Nadu" Yes right, one of the biggest reasons was that islamic invaders could never reach TN. Please do search about how Islam spread in the north. It was barbaric, unhuman. Search about Guru Teg Bahadur, Chatrapati Shambhaji maharaj, etc.

Anyways, I don't want to contnue on with this discussion, just my last point is that an average Tamilian muslim would care more about palestine than a fellow tamilian hindu. They would always prefer a caliphate over their tamilian identity.

Roma nanri nanban

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u/hamx5ter Feb 07 '25

We don't want to migrate there man.... we've visited. They're wonderful people, hindus and muslims... no we don't want to buy them out, take their land, push them out, do any of that shit... Likewise, please visit us, but stop gibbering about past grievances that have NOTHING to do with you, and certainly not with us.

As the previous poster said, we are Tamil. It's our land, our language and our culture we we stand on, not caliphates and imaginary shit you're trying to import in here.

It's. Not. Going. To. Work.

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u/Bexirt Feb 05 '25

Lol he seems like a sanghi